Technical 100HP Axel Refurb

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Technical 100HP Axel Refurb

About 1cm lower is near enough the same in my book. :)

Rising rate springs are excellent. More compliant over rough surfaces but don't bounce and crash like softer springs can. It may soon feel less stiff as the dampers settle in but that's normal.

Others have suggested these work well on the 100HP -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-of-Fiat-Coupe-Rear-Suspension-Bump-Stop-Bush-7782710-Brand-New-GENUINE/231811796377?fits=Car+Make%3AFiat%7CModel%3ACoupe&epid=1971344434&hash=item35f90f4d99:g:hdcAAOSwYIhWlSxy

Might invest in a pair of those bump stops.
But the next thing on my list is to find some rubber insulators for between the spring & spring cup. Febi do some, just got to find the right size.
 
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45 years the original trolley jack of yours lasted, that is really good, and it looks still fine.

I saw a real nice trolley jack in Costco last weekend, and it was about £80. It had that long and thick metal pipe handle. Almost bought it, but we had too much shopping in the trolley, so didn't go for it. I will see which ones are best and do some research, but the Sealey ones seem nice.

Yes I'm quite surprised it lasted that long too - and, of course with it's new hydraulics fitted, it should now be set to outlast me!

One of the small garages I worked in had a very "organised" foreman. At the end of the day everything had to be in it's correct storage place - jacks lined up against the wall, axle stands in a marked area, etc. If we had a slack period (motor trade workshop loading is quite seasonal - or it was in those days anyway - busiest leading up to summer holidays and autumn. "Dead" around Christmas/New Year and during summer holidays.) He would have us painting the walls white and degreasing around the ramps and oil tanks. Lots of local workshops would lay off workers in those "dead" times but not him & most of us were very grateful and appreciative, it made our workshop a pleasant place to be too!

So you get an idea of the sort of person he was. One of his wee "foibles" was that jacks were always to be stored with their rams fully retracted - so the lifting arm had to be returned to it's lowest position, as here:

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In fact it was always one of the "end of day checks" for the apprentice (remember apprentices?) He explained that his reasoning was that by doing this the polished side of the ram was protected from dirt settling on it and from rust forming which might then damage the ram seal. I thought this a good idea and have always done it with my own jacks. The design of smaller jacks makes it easy to ensure the pumping element is also pushed into it's bore (like my old blue one). The larger jacks (like the red one) are not so easy as the handle gets in the way if you lay it parallel to the floor and some designs have plungers which rely on springs to return them on their return stroke so storing with the spring compressed would weaken the spring - common sense needs to rule - I do store the red one with it's handle upright but give the pump ram a wee squirt of WD40 if I know I won't be using it again for a while.

My Daughter in law shops in Costco and I have gone with her to help lifting stuff into the car a few times. They have some very interesting things in the car section (I usually wander around there whilst she shops). I must confess to quite liking Machine Mart though. There is a quite large branch near me with very helpful staff. I like being able to fiddle with and handle the goods before I buy but, most of all I like that they seem good at spare parts accessibility as I like repairing things not just throwing them away and buying a new one.
 
I have never done any work on cars myself before. I got my first car in my univ time when I was totally broke, I bought Austin Princess for £200. It had large dent on the front wing and at back somewhere. I think it had 70k miles on the clock, but not sure if it were genuine. The car ran very nice, but it had this hydraulic suspension like Citroens. One side had leak, and it sagged badly.

I took it to garage to fix, but it was just way too expensive for what the car was worth, and still I was totally broke. So I had to keep driving like that, and sold it someone for £150 as my finance got worse.

I gone through some old cheap cars like the Mini 1000, Datsun Bluebird. First decent car we bought was a brand new Nissan Micra, as I got my first job after univ.
It was great. We got it from Paisley, and drove home in it brand spanking new Micra with only 10 miles on the clock, and was exciting I still remember.

I was getting paid more, and got some extra cash with me, so got a Fiat Uno brand new. It was a good car too, but it had habit of cutting out on hills, and then I started hating it, so part exchanged for a new Ford Escort.

Ford Escort was a great car. I gave it to wife, and got Vauxhall Astra. Fantastic car it was too. But I got a job with company car, so sold it to a guy who came from Edinburgh with £5000 cash. He gave me the cash, and drove the Astra back home looking over the Moon.

From then on I was on company car all the time, and never had to worry about service or insurance. Every 3 years I got new cars from the company fleet cars. I had Renault Laguna, Honda Accord, VW Passat, Ford Cougar ... these cars. When I stopped working for the company, I had gone through some old Mercedes Benz cars of my own, and they were good fun. One of them was from 1970, and it was fantastic car. Should have kept it. And the 190D from 1980s was a good car too.

A 2 year old C CLass C230 was a great car to drive, very smooth and fast, but then bodywork started rusting out, and it got very bad. Had to sell it for £600 due to bad rust. That was not good, because I paid over 12k for it and have had it about 4-5 years with very low mileage.

Now I am semi retired, and working from home running small business, so share the Fiat Panda with wife, as we don't do much mileage at all. I started doing more on DIY around the house - electric lights installation, plumbing, plastering, painting, cutting hedges grass and just general maintenance. I began to decide to do some works on cars DIY too only from this January.

The 2nd pair of axle stands arrived, and they seem quite sturdy. Also spring compressor for suspension arrived from eBay. It was £7 inc. delivery, and seem good too.

Still waiting the coolant hose pipe to replace the rusty pipe. That has not arrived yet. I think I will replace the rusty coolant pipe first and refill the coolant.

And then work on the o2 sensors. These will be all fun and games :)
 
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My Daughter in law shops in Costco and I have gone with her to help lifting stuff into the car a few times. They have some very interesting things in the car section (I usually wander around there whilst she shops). I must confess to quite liking Machine Mart though. There is a quite large branch near me with very helpful staff. I like being able to fiddle with and handle the goods before I buy but, most of all I like that they seem good at spare parts accessibility as I like repairing things not just throwing them away and buying a new one.

We go to Costco maybe once a month, and sometimes there are good buys in tools. Best purchase from there in my experience was a 174 piece socket set by Craftsman. It was about £70. I am glad having got the set.

The other day I also noticed all metal mechanics tool chest. Looked solid and well made and was going for about £350. And another tool chest taller than me was going for £500 plus. Was tempted, but no I have no room in the shed, and more reason for it, no cash for tool chest, when I have a few tool boxes kicking around in the shed, although they were cheap.
 
I have a couple of small low cost tool chests bought 2nd-hand. All I can say is I'm very glad I didn't buy them new. Reasonable quality is not cheap. In the meantime I manage with plastic clam shell boxes.

Halfords had some nice metal tool cases for ok costs. One looks like a bench with a lift-up lid. It seems great but what are you supposed to do with the box beneath?

A few of these will store all your small tools
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silverline-Filing-15-Drawer-cabinet/293013966509?hash=item4438fe4ead:g:EGMAAOSwo8NckMK2

Large drawer filing cabinets work well but you need boxes to drop into the drawers or you'll never find anything.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HERMAN-MILLER-MERIDIAN-3-DRAWER-LATERAL-FILING-CABINETS/153412246150?hash=item23b8151a86:g:yvgAAOSwRIhchus-

These look pretty good. Big enough to find your stuff but small enough to roll out to your job.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/COSMETIC-DAMAGED-Metal-Tool-Box-Cabinet-Storage-Organizer-Garage-Steel-Black/132996210406?hash=item1ef7311ee6:g:twUAAOSw18BcklM8

I suspect it might benefit from a plywood back pop-riveted on to help stiffen the thing. Only about £100 at full prices so not exactly pro spec.
 
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We go to Costco maybe once a month, and sometimes there are good buys in tools. Best purchase from there in my experience was a 174 piece socket set by Craftsman. It was about £70. I am glad having got the set.

The other day I also noticed all metal mechanics tool chest. Looked solid and well made and was going for about £350. And another tool chest taller than me was going for £500 plus. Was tempted, but no I have no room in the shed, and more reason for it, no cash for tool chest, when I have a few tool boxes kicking around in the shed, although they were cheap.
When I was working with my tools every day I slowly built them up over the years, buying them as I needed them. I had a miss-matched collection of tool boxes which worked but didn't look very professional! As my career advanced I spent less time "on the tools". Then, shortly before I retired I did a bit of sorting out of the tools which were either too worn/damaged to use or could be given to my boys because I had duplicates. (on the understanding I could always "borrow" them back).

When I'd finished I used the best of my old tool boxes to store my house/carpentry/plumbing/electrical and DIY tools which left me with all my lovely mechanics tools lying on the garage floor! After a lot of thought I bought a Clarke CFS 312 12 drawer Extra Deep tool box. It took a lot of the tools. I already had a large ex-hospital trolley with very sturdy wheels which I sprayed red to match the tool box and I fabricated suitable support so the new tool box could be mounted on the trolley. Three of the old tool boxes went to live on the bottom shelf. But still I had quite a few tools with nowhere to live. That's ok, I'll just buy a Middle (step up) box. So back to Machine Mart only to find that they don't make a step up box to suit this particular top box! After a lot of internet searching without success, I was wandering around Halfords looking for a brake pipe spanner when I spotted their "Advanced" (sometimes they use "Professional") tool boxes. I measured up the Advanced 3 drawer middle chest - that's the one with the extra deep bottom drawer - rushed home, measured the Clarke top box and, can't believe it, it'll just drop right on! Only draw back is that the Halfords box doesn't come in red, but a wee respray with a Lidl rattle can sorted that out and the colour match is excellent. The top box has friction runners and the middle box is ball bearing.

These are big, proper mechanics boxes Theleman. The top box retails around £150 and the middle box is on offer at £125 just now. It's worth "getting into bed" with both Halfords and Machine Mart. Halfords does special discount events (the mid box should be £250). and I've seen it reduced like this at least 3 times in the last couple of years. Machine Mart do VAT free, and other, sales on their Clarke products from time to time. They email me whenever there's going to be one. Can't remember how I got into it though, maybe because I'm a good customer? Anyway might be worth an ask - maybe all you have to do is give them your email address?
 
When I was working with my tools every day I slowly built them up over the years, buying them as I needed them. I had a miss-matched collection of tool boxes which worked but didn't look very professional! As my career advanced I spent less time "on the tools". Then, shortly before I retired I did a bit of sorting out of the tools which were either too worn/damaged to use or could be given to my boys because I had duplicates. (on the understanding I could always "borrow" them back).

When I'd finished I used the best of my old tool boxes to store my house/carpentry/plumbing/electrical and DIY tools which left me with all my lovely mechanics tools lying on the garage floor! After a lot of thought I bought a Clarke CFS 312 12 drawer Extra Deep tool box. It took a lot of the tools. I already had a large ex-hospital trolley with very sturdy wheels which I sprayed red to match the tool box and I fabricated suitable support so the new tool box could be mounted on the trolley. Three of the old tool boxes went to live on the bottom shelf. But still I had quite a few tools with nowhere to live. That's ok, I'll just buy a Middle (step up) box. So back to Machine Mart only to find that they don't make a step up box to suit this particular top box! After a lot of internet searching without success, I was wandering around Halfords looking for a brake pipe spanner when I spotted their "Advanced" (sometimes they use "Professional") tool boxes. I measured up the Advanced 3 drawer middle chest - that's the one with the extra deep bottom drawer - rushed home, measured the Clarke top box and, can't believe it, it'll just drop right on! Only draw back is that the Halfords box doesn't come in red, but a wee respray with a Lidl rattle can sorted that out and the colour match is excellent. The top box has friction runners and the middle box is ball bearing.

These are big, proper mechanics boxes Theleman. The top box retails around £150 and the middle box is on offer at £125 just now. It's worth "getting into bed" with both Halfords and Machine Mart. Halfords does special discount events (the mid box should be £250). and I've seen it reduced like this at least 3 times in the last couple of years. Machine Mart do VAT free, and other, sales on their Clarke products from time to time. They email me whenever there's going to be one. Can't remember how I got into it though, maybe because I'm a good customer? Anyway might be worth an ask - maybe all you have to do is give them your email address?
On the other hand - your cosmetic damaged chest looks even better value to me Dave!
 
An unexpected result of my "cobbled up" tool box trolley has been that I can actually see into the top of the top box. I find that my friends set up - he has a full cabinet with middle box and top box on top is so high that I can't actually see into the top compartment of his top box. Admittedly I am not very tall - around 5 foot 7 inches and shrinking last time I checked - but I was surprised when he added his mid box that it made it so high.
 
If ever I have seen a hyjacked thread, this has got to be it - start a new thread - I don’t think so.
In my total ignorance of the niceties of how this internet forum stuff works I would like to ask what this means Ian? I find I frequently get lost in here. I often can't find a thread I have posted in and all the other stuff that seems to be "hiding" in sub menus, well?

So I was suggesting a new thread here in the Panda section because I thought it would come up with a heading I would pick up on if a month or so goes by before you posted and I really am interested in anything which might isolate the spring from rubbing directly on the pan and disturbing the painted finish.

I'm not kidding, seriously, when I say that I don't understand this thing about a hyjacked thread? Does it mean we should have only been talking about 100hp rear axles? If so this could get very boring very quickly?

I suppose I'm just an old fart who hasn't caught up with the modern world yet - probably too late for me now!

Kind regards
Jock
 
Axel is now back at the garage to be reinstalled with Eibach springs all round.
Springs were also corroded.
Koni Sports adjustables were already on the back - fitted them about a year ago to improve that awfull ride.
New Bilstien B8’s at the front (cant get Koni adjustables for the Panda anymore).
So we’ll see what the ride will be like now.
Having had a good look underneath, looks like the exhaust will be next.... job for next year.

How are the springs Ian? I have just bought a set of b4's and want some new springs. Do you recommend yours and if so where did you get them?
 
Rising rate either has tapered wire or the coils are wound closer together at one end. This gives a softer action at short travel.


Normal coils have the same force per inch of compression. Rising rate needs more force as the compression increases. A spring compressor gets harder to tighten.

I've not heard the term Progressive Rate so best ask. Though I suspect its another way of saying rising rate spring.

Rising rate
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Single or normal rate
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