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Bye Bye Panda, it was good

Bought my First Panda in 2006 brand new ran it for 7 years with very few issue, Bought a Suzuki Alto to replace, realised the error of my ways and went back to Panda this time a 15 plate

Ran this for 3.5 years and 32 000 miles on clock. Couple of wee minor issues but biggest pain was trying to do a hill start on a steep hill. Almost impossible to do and stalled it numerous times. Apart from that no issues

Looked to buy another Panda but thought prices were a bit steep and not a huge amount about. Plenty of Fiat 500 but did not fancy that

After much research decided on an 18 plate Vauxhall Viva, with 5000 miles on clock which I got for 6299. car is 9 months old

Initial thoughts are positive, certainly quicker from standing start than Panda, it is lighter, better equiped than Panda, and I only bought the base model. Remote central locking, heated mirrors(why), cruise control, bluetooth, split 60/40 rear seats with headrests

Fuel consumption is slightly better and insurance was slightly cheaper.

Oh and hill starts are not an issue.

Did like my wee Panda an one day may go back

Thanks for all the help and advice given by you guys over the years, hopefully there will be a friendly Vauxhall forum like this one
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Re: Bye Bye Panda, it was good

Life moves on. All the best with your new car.

It's interesting what you say about the clutch. I've had a Seicento 900, Punto Mk2 HGT (not a FIRE engine) and Mrs Dave's Panda 1200 all have a great easy to control clutch with no worries on hill starts or at any other time. The Punto and my 100HP (with same clutch as any other Panda) have a new clutch. The 100HP has new clutch and hydraulics end to end and its all too easy to stall on hill starts.

Four cars all with more or less the same clutch design (ok, HGT was bigger) but why would one with the newest parts and probably the OP's Panda be less than ideal?
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Re: Bye Bye Panda, it was good

The issue with hill starts seems to be with engines with Euro 6

Even The Stig struggles with it. Its is a Fiat 500 but has same engine as Panda

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Quote Originally Posted by DaveMcT View Post
Life moves on. All the best with your new car.

It's interesting what you say about the clutch. I've had a Seicento 900, Punto Mk2 HGT (not a FIRE engine) and Mrs Dave's Panda 1200 all have a great easy to control clutch with no worries on hill starts or at any other time. The Punto and my 100HP (with same clutch as any other Panda) have a new clutch. The 100HP has new clutch and hydraulics end to end and its all too easy to stall on hill starts.

Four cars all with more or less the same clutch design (ok, HGT was bigger) but why would one with the newest parts and probably the OP's Panda be less than ideal?
Nope.. its lousy mapping.. makes you work the clutch.. like a 49cc 2 stroke

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Re: Bye Bye Panda, it was good

Interesting the viva has cruise..

The last one didnt even have a cassette deck

What oriental motor is it rebadged from?

Something I might watch out for.

Our 04 active is due for replacement.
(Tough act to follow though)
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What oriental motor is it rebadged from?
It's built in South Korea so will be a Dawoo under the skin. GM bought the company some time ago.

Wikipedia also says
The Opel Karl is named after Adam Opel's oldest son, Karl. The model is closely related to the fourth generation Chevrolet Spark.
So at least we know where the current (slightly annoying) naming tend came from. The name Viva was chosen because Brits asked what they liked about a car called Karl said, "Absolutely Vauxhaul"

By the way, is the Vauxhaul Adam closely related to the Fiat 500? There are strong similarities.

One orange, one yellow but remove the branding features and they look near identical.



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Re: Bye Bye Panda, it was good

That Voxall Adrian.. it was their lame attempt at 'trendy cool'

Plasticy enough to be a Citroen..

Hardly sold well.
.FIAT links.. MJ motor

The 500 is OLD.. and has its faults.

But is still a far better prospect.
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Re: Bye Bye Panda, it was good

The 500 is old but should at least have the wrinkles ironed out. Oh hang on, what about that Twinair engine.

When are Fiat going to talk to Konisegg about using his Freevalve technology. No cams, no throttle valve, no starter motor, 20Kg less weight, less parasitic load, lots of other cool stuff including low build cost on existing production lines.
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Here we go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Fiat_Small_platform It's a Punto under the skin.

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The Small Platform[1] or SCCS platform (Small Common Components and Systems platform), was developed by Fiat for subcompact, front wheel drive, four wheel drive cars and some Opel models like the Opel Corsa. It was first used on the Fiat Grande Punto, which was unveiled in 2005.
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Quote Originally Posted by DaveMcT View Post
Here we go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Fiat_Small_platform It's a Punto under the skin.

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The Small Platform[1] or SCCS platform (Small Common Components and Systems platform), was developed by Fiat for subcompact, front wheel drive, four wheel drive cars and some Opel models like the Opel Corsa. It was first used on the Fiat Grande Punto, which was unveiled in 2005.
Err.. thats a 15years old article about the corsa D.. : GP

That tie in is the bain of the forum..

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