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Old 09-12-2018   #16
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Re: Fiat Panda Eleganza 1.2 Too much fule

They are quite sensitive to spark plugs. New ones annually or at service interval, whichever is sooner. Some have fitted iridium plugs, which last a lot longer and deteriorate less noticeably. However, cost may be more or similar to changing normal ones more frequently, and leaving them in longer can increase the risk of them seizing in. A smear of copper anti-seize on the threads helps, but don't overdo it.
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Re: Fiat Panda Eleganza 1.2 Too much fule

Hmm well, I will bear this in mind for sure. It certainly appreciates the new plugs and the ignition coils looked really worn and battered.


The most surprising thing to me was rocker cover gasket. Whoever done that before did a really poor job took me the best part of an hour to clean the mess up. as well as the gasket they used loads of liquid metal as well which had deteriorated and was flaking off, oil everywhere.


With the new gasket and after about 5 mins of engine running the area is nice and clean. I could stick my fingernail in the gap before and oil was oozing out lol.

Taking the lil bugger for a spin tomorro, see how it goes
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Re: Fiat Panda Eleganza 1.2 Too much fule

Sounds like the Panda found a good home and is only getting better

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Re: Fiat Panda Eleganza 1.2 Too much fule

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The throttle off is a bit abrupt, especially so at low speeds. You let go of the throttle and smack your face in the dash. The computer reacts to the almost stall and adds too much fuel, then lets go when the engine recovers. This is a 'characteristic'.

When trickling in slow traffic you learn to use the clutch as well to remove the jerk. At faster speeds, you just reduce the throttle more gently. This is not a fixable fault, so just go with it. There are threads about it, but no answer better than 'live with it'. Sorry. I've got quite used to mine over nearly nine years.
neither of my two have this feature.

however mine does occasionally, maybe two or three times a year. Not looked at it. Even if I changed something it would be at least a year before I could say its fixed.

Once I took my foot of the throttle as the clutch was depressed and spotted the Revs momentarily dropping to 0 before instantly rising back to normal.


if someone has one that fails all the time then some data logging might narrow down the cause.

although if the ECU has a different software we might be compairing apples with pears
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Re: Fiat Panda Eleganza 1.2 Too much fule

I've always rev matched on downshifts especially when going up hill where I need a fast gear change. The Renault Espace would ignore a stabbed throttle pedal causing the car to lurch as that delay caused the revs to go too low for an efficient downshift.

Any rapid pedal movement such as coming off the clutch on a hill was just as bad. You know the situation - holding in gear on handbrake, jab throttle to the correct level (you know the car) and lift the clutch. Normally you'd have a smooth take-off, but no, the ECU ignores the rapid throttle pedal movement, you get no revs/power and the engine stalls. Or worse, it nearly stalls then realises what you wanted and wakes up too late.

Our Fiats do none of this. Punto HGT, Panda 100HP and ordinary throttle cable Panda Dynamic 1.2.

The 100HP issue is an over sensitive throttle at low openings. You want to pull away but it over revs before you can get the clutch up. Or you get the clutch up but it surges forward faster than you asked for. It doesn't matter how fast or slow you move the throttle pedal. It's a pain in cut-n-shove traffic as you can't take a space. It's a pain on a hill start as a wheel will spin.

The "old world" 1.2 with cable throttle has none of those issues.

PS - Around 2000 most motorbikes went to fuel injection with all sorts of flowery marketing about how great it was compared to horrid carburettors. The big difference was snatch at low openings made worse because bikes have a throttle for each cylinder positioned close to the cylinder head. It was quite a few years before most manufacturers were able to get the necessary fine control into their idle stepper motors. By then, most had gone to drive by wire.
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