Technical 100hp heater playing tricks on me... Help!

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Technical 100hp heater playing tricks on me... Help!

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I can spin the pin / spindle to get the temp from cold to warm air, I presume that is the purpose of the the spindle to control the temperature,
the actuator does rotate when I put the temp down low but doesn’t seem to move gradually when increasing the temperature just seem to move all in one go,don’t know if this is correct?
 
Hi again I’ve uploaded maybe a clearer picture of air box plus a picture of the actuator with the cog
I presume the spindle fits into the centre of the cog which turns when the temp is altered to restrict the air over the sensor?
The actuator was already broken on the bolt hole connections as you can see in photo also just below and to the left of the spindle there are two broken look like blocks of plastic? I think these could be the stops for the rotation?
 

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Hi mate
There’s no mono button on the car pal
 

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I need to do this repair on a 2011 Abarth 500. Would love to drive to the UK shop that does the fix as a daily thing and have them do it, but being in Australia, don't think that'll work... :p

Also, they don't seem to want to respond to mails/give clues as to how they do it... Sorta understand that, but not planning to set up a rival business over here. My guess is it's done pretty much as per the latter part of this thread?

However, looking under where the mixer motor etc. is, there looks to be a lot of infrastructure in the way, to be unbolted before you even start on the mixer/etc. This includes the knee airbag. Does anyone have any experience in doing the fix on an Abarth/Fiat 500, with the knee airbag, and can they advise how they went?

Thanks in advance!
 
OK, just did this on my car, a 2011 Abarth 500C (with the semi-auto box), RHD. Could NOT find any shop in my home city prepared to give this a go.

Not too bad a job BUT lots of hard to see/reach stuff in a confined space. About 4-5 hours all up, going slowly & doing it for the first time. All comments in the context of my Oz-delivered RHD car.

The steps I followed were:

- Disconnect battery (Note: this is due to needing to remove an airbag - make your own decision as to how comfortable you are with this airbag removal.).
- Remove the pocket/dash moulding that has the OBD plug behind it, RHS of dash.
- Undo the two hex bolts under the dash/at the edge of the knee airbag - post 48 has a helpful link.
- Remove the knee airbag. Note this doesn't just "fall out" once you have undone the bolts - it needs a bit of a wiggle/lift and some SLIGHT force. The top location is rubber tabs into the dash, on the edges.
- Note the airbag has a SHORT ELECTRICAL LEAD - do NOT pull excessively as you remove it.
- Unclip the electrical lead for the knee airbag - the clip is hard to see, and obscured/towards the airbag body. Do not force it - look for the clip. Once unclipped, you can lift the airbag away.
- There are two unfinished (i.e. natural mild steel finish [including burrs...]) pressed steel brackets you need to remove, that are largely there to support the knee airbag. These are removed by undoing two pozi screws (nearest centre console) and a 13mm nut (nearest RHS of car, roughly in line with the OBD plug but behind). Thankfully all relevant nuts & screw are captive.
- Once these screws/nut are undone, and you have removed a couple of electrical retainer "fir trees" on the brackets, the brackets come away.
- Unclip the main power lead that protrudes from (I think) the power steering (or is it the ABS? Not sure.... :confused:)
- I then had good access to the mixer motor - no other components needed to be removed.
- ....And then it's a matter of following the guidance in posts 36 & 38.
- Then rinse & repeat to reassemble.

The only point I'd add to 36 & 38 is that the spindle plastic is very soft (at least on my car) AND the spindle is quite narrow. I didn't fully open the heater box but just drilled into the spindle. And, I think I missed the centre, so my ground screw/spindle fix is more running along the side of the spindle than straight through the middle. However, so far it seems adequate to grip the mixing flap for the heater to work. Time will tell...

Final odd thing I've noticed is that under some conditions the AC seems to "pulse" on & off - not sure what's going on there. My suspicion is that the climate control may need a re-calibrate - if it continues I'll contact a Fiat shop & have it done (I suspect it's a MultiECUscan-type job on the 500s, & I don't have the software).

Hope this helps by adding to the knowledge base!
 
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Those "unfinished" mild steel brackets have viscious edges. The factory workers must need chainmail to keep safe. I run mine around with the angle grinder finishing wheel because it will be me going in next time.

The heater doing odd things could be the compressor clutch or even something simple like the thermostat. Pop out the little grille behind the gear lever and give a it good sorting out with a vacuum cleaner.

Assuming you have a Windows laptop, www.multiecuscan.net "registered" version and a set of cables will cost the same as having Fiat do an OBD scan.
 
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If it’s the bled flap drive broken we have a permanent repair for these which does not require the removal of the heater box. It’s all done in place and takes about 2-3 hours. Done around 15 of them now on pandas and 500’s and every one has been successful with no reports of the fault returning
We have a small car site in North London just on the borders of Hertfordshire. We recently purchased a 2008 Fiat Panda that seems to have the problem you have been describing. Is it something you'd be able to help us out with if we got the car down to you? Please reply on here or contact me at [email protected]. many thanks. Stan milburn.
 
We’re located Near Winchester. Not far from marwell zoo

If it’s the bled flap drive broken we have a permanent repair for these which does not require the removal of the heater box. It’s all done in place and takes about 2-3 hours. Done around 15 of them now on pandas and 500’s and every one has been successful with no reports of the fault returning
Hi there, I think we have this problem with one of our cars. If we got it down to you, do you think you'd be able to take a look at it? Many thanks, Stan
 
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