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Old 27-08-2018   #16
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Tyre Leader have them at 42.72 delivered https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyr...3/?m%5B4%5D=on

Fitting and disposal will add 15 (each) so not a lot more than the Firestones we have on Mrs 1.2 which last time were 48 fitted. Will have to see what my local fitters charge for Michelin.
And note Wee Smurf's earlier post ; if they've stopped manufacture, beware of excessively old stock. But they're a cracking tyre for the Panda; no doubt at all on that. If they're discontinued, there may be some keen prices to be had.

I paid 189.02 all in (supply, new valves, fitting, balance & disposal) for a set of 4 in July last year.
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And note Wee Smurf's earlier post ; if they've stopped manufacture, beware of excessively old stock. But they're a cracking tyre for the Panda; no doubt at all on that. If they're discontinued, there may be some keen prices to be had.

I paid 189.02 all in (supply, new valves, fitting, balance & disposal) for a set of 4 in July last year.

Do your homework (as above) and then check what the local independent tyre fitters can offer. Mine are pretty cool.
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Re: Tyre Time Again

I fit and balance my own car and Bike tyres and the council tip take the old un's for 5 each.

It was free to prevent the large amount of dumped tyres being thrown off the cliff ( Jurassic coast) up until last year....
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I fit and balance my own.
I'd be the first person here to encourage owners to do all that they can for themselves. But not many of us have access to the specialist equipment needed to balance car wheels. And whilst it's perfectly possible to change a tyre with just a pair of good quality tyre levers, the effort involved and the risk of damaging both tyre and rim make this a job that, IMO, is best left to those with workshop equipment.
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I used to fit motorbike my own tyres but it really is a pain with tubeless and not exactly easy with tubed tyres. Even at the short life of bike tyres (5000 miles max for a tubeless rear) it's just not worth trying to DIY. I do however find it's better to buy from such as Tyre Leader (my current favourite) and take them to professionals for fitting.


Car tyres are often just as reasonable cost at the local suppliers as they are on Tyre Leader and no hassle. Drive in and drive out with new tyres fitted and balanced.
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Up here in Edinburgh there are several branches if the two "big hitters" to approach and quite a number of "nearly big hitters" then there are quite a number of small set ups, some with just the one outlet, some with several. I think there are also dealer groups who benefit from doing bulk ordering (don't quite know how that works). Over the last few years the used tyre dealers seem to be more prominent too.- reflecting the increasing difficulty people are having making ends meet? For many reasons I will not consider a used tyre.

I find one of the big hitters is particularly keen to compete (and it's not K.F. surprisingly) so I usually start by giving them a bell and making it obvious I'm phoning around. Usually that gets you the valve and balance free right away so you are immediately starting with a lower base negotiating point. As I'm not running around in a Ferrari or WRX Subaru I'll be looking for a "known make" so Barum, Avon, Dayton, Yokohama, "mid range" tyres in other words. I don't push this first contact too hard as then you can go back in on friendly terms if you need to but it does establish a fairly representative base line figure to work from. Then I start on the smaller guys who are usually "hungrier" giving you the balance and valve all in as standard at the same sort of price the big guys are doing just the tyre, so more leverage here. Keep it light hearted and jokey, don't upset anyone and you'll be surprised what can be achieved. If your budget is really tight you might even find you could buy a cheap obscure brand (make sure it's E marked though) for almost the price of a part worn! And, your getting it professionally fitted and balanced.

Personally I don't like directional tyres (they have an arrow on the sidewall indicating DOR) as you are tied to being able to only run them on one side of the car once fitted but I do quite like asymmetric tread designs which can have noticeable benefits over the more traditional symmetrical designs. Whilst it doesn't bother me to have different brands front and rear I always try to run identical tyres on the same axle. Also, particularly if you think you've found a "real bargain" look out for the 4 figure date numbers on the sidewall they are week week year year. For example 3616 is week 36 of 2016. Tyres age badly if stored badly. They need cool dark dry places if possible. The older a tyre the greater chance it may not have been stored well so the general rule of thumb I use is : only buy new tyres. No more than 2 years max from date of manufacture but the newer the better and once a tyre is more than five years old I keep a close eye out for sidewall crazing and cracks in the base of the tread design. You can do all 4 tyres in just a few minutes. A more detailed check including inner sidewall I do two or three times a year.

So, for me, although I have at least 4 really good tyre levers, life's too short - just get the professionals to do it!
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I'm very pleased with the Uniroyal RainExperts I've fitted to the Uno and the Panda. I don't drive the Panda that often, but on the Uno they have a lot more grip than the previous symmetrical tyres. They're kind of an 'everyday' version of the RainSports I have on the Alfa, and very reasonably priced.

Not sure on wear, the fronts on the Panda are looking noticably more worn than the rears after six months, could be down to her driving or the suspension being tired though. Regardless, they are a soft tyre, so they will wear fast. I favour grip over tyre life anyway.
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Michelin energy E3B. Probably the best 155/80x13 tyre you can buy for the Panda.

They suit the car well and tick all the boxes; the only downside is the price. But you should get 40,000+ miles from a set and you may even save a little fuel as well, so it's a worthwhile investment if you plan on keeping the car awhile longer.

I'm on my second set now; they've proved to be quieter and longer lasting than the Conti ecoContacts it came with from the factory.
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Re: Tyre Time Again

Slightly off topic but how would the Michelin energy E3B (or it's successor model) be for the 100HP?

Next time I plan to fit 195-50-15for the (slightly) improved ride and there's often a handy cost reduction.

The main issue with long life and low energy tyres is harsh ride and road noise. How do the Michelin Energy compare with other brands?
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I've fitted 195/50 15' Rainsports last spring and I'm pretty impresssed in comparison with the Dunlops that were on earlier.
Had Michelins in the past (when I was doing 80.000Km/year, not in a Panda) and found the value for money disappointing.

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Unfortunately Michelin have now completely discontinued making 13 inch tyres. So disappointed. I used Energy in summer and Alpin in winter. Now need a total rethink as to what I'm going to do.
Tyres for both summer and winter now sorted for me. I bought a full set of the option 14 inch alloys second-hand on eBay. Three had almost new Uniroyal Rain Expert 3 fitted. I thought it best to buy one new tyre to match and complete the set. Not my first choice but they seemed too good to not use them. I also looked into winter tyres and decided that with Continental having an updated winter tyre available for 155/80R13 that I would put winter tyres on my 13 inch alloys. I quite like the small footprint for winter. I now have 4 Continental WinterContact TS860 fitted and am liking the low road noise and how they've performed in the wet. Continental have no stock left so I ordered from MyTyres. They've since gone up in price and it's showing as only 4 left in stock there now.
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Car tyres are often just as reasonable cost at the local suppliers as they are on Tyre Leader and no hassle. Drive in and drive out with new tyres fitted and balanced.
Couldn't agree more. I used to buy Toyo Proxes online for my mk1 mx5 and have them fitted for 15 a wheel, then found a local supplier (TSG Motors in Slough) who is prepared to order them & fit them at less cost (& less hassle!).


Incidentally, does anyone have experience of Toyos for the Panda's 13" wheels? I found them to have good grip & durability at pretty low cost for the 14" wheels on an mx5. Cheers
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I fitted Falken sincera 175/70/13 on my active, they are the best tyres i have had, great grip wet or dry and very quiet.
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Incidentally, does anyone have experience of Toyos for the Panda's 13" wheels? I found them to have good grip & durability at pretty low cost for the 14" wheels on an mx5. Cheers


I've had Toyo Nano energy tyres on my 1.1 for roughly the last three years. Rears were replaced about 6 months ago for Uniroyal All season experts and the front set are being replaced on Saturday for Vredestein Quatrac 5s. They replaced Uniroyal rain experts. They have generally been fine, with ok grip. The rears were moved to the front when I had the Uniroyals fitted. Their main problem was they have consistently squealed when turning sharply such as on roundabouts since I got them and have sometimes scrabbled for grip when starting from a standstill going up hill. They have lasted 20-30000 miles. Basically ok but nothing remarkable.
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I have the nano energy fitted to mine.


no complaints. grip is as expected from a narrow tyre especially in the wet.


slightly less noise than the tyres that came off.
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