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Fiat Panda 100hp

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Im looking to upgrade to a panda 100hp from a 1.1 Active Eco..

The one i'm looking at has 100k miles with service history, how long would it survive? Does anyone have any experience? For the price, i'm very tempted as it looks in great condition.

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Re: Fiat Panda 100hp

Fiats start breaking at about 100k miles, so bare that in mind.
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Fiats start breaking at about 100k miles, so bare that in mind.
Not querying, just interested - where does that info come from? And what breaks?
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Re: Fiat Panda 100hp

Had a 1.2 Panda break at 142,000, but it had 10+ years of neglect before I got hold of it.

Best (i.e. almost completely standard) 100hp I have driven was on about 130,000 and still going strong. Still felt good. (And I doubt it had ever been driven gently, knowing the owner. Although he is meticulous about servicing and maintenance)
It seems to be mostly about how they have been maintained.

Cambelt changes, proper fluids, and some preventative maintenance on the rear beam axle should make them pretty bulletproof.
Other than that, make sure the heater/aircon flaps work in ALL positions, and 3rd gear doesn't crunch.

And front bumpers are seriously expensive to replace...
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Ah, thats great to know thanks. I'll make sure to check over the bits you recommended. Only issue i can spot is the fog lights are starting to cloud up, but thats an easy enough job i assume.

Only reason im so tempted is the price and its the same price to insure as my 1.1!
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Re: Fiat Panda 100hp

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Fiats start breaking at about 100k miles, so bare that in mind.
Rubbish.
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Would the brakes etc need upgrading? You should inform the DVLA if you do the conversion as the road tax will be one hell of a lot more. Your insurance company will need to be told about any conversion otherwise any claim in the event of an accident could be thrown out.
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Would the brakes etc need upgrading? You should inform the DVLA if you do the conversion as the road tax will be one hell of a lot more. Your insurance company will need to be told about any conversion otherwise any claim in the event of an accident could be thrown out.
Don't think it's a conversion - which is practically impossible anyway - more a swap.
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Not querying, just interested - where does that info come from? And what breaks?

fiats, and especially the cheaper end of the range are poorly made and parts dont last long.
this is worse in fiats than most other brands available at present.



the general cutoff point for things wearing out appears to be around the 100k mile mark. some people are lucky and do more miles without any issues, some are not.


if the car has been looked after it wont generally be major things, but i would budget for some repairs if it has hit that mileage. some of these repairs could well be DIY, but it is something to consider.
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Only issue i can spot is the fog lights are starting to cloud up, but thats an easy enough job i assume.
Just be aware the some of the "bargain" ones about can be pretty useless and only last a year or so. Also the lenses scratch VERY easily. Good for tarting up a car about to be sold, less good for longer-term ownership.

Good quality ones tend to be about twice as much, but do last a lot longer.
Genuine ones are about 35 each from Shop4Parts (bit less with the forum discount) and should last as long as the originals.
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fiats, and especially the cheaper end of the range are poorly made and parts dont last long.
this is worse in fiats than most other brands available at present.



the general cutoff point for things wearing out appears to be around the 100k mile mark. some people are lucky and do more miles without any issues, some are not.


if the car has been looked after it wont generally be major things, but i would budget for some repairs if it has hit that mileage. some of these repairs could well be DIY, but it is something to consider.
As before - what's the basis for this fact or opinion?

I spend almost half the year in Italy and see thousands of 30+-year-old Fiats, especially Mk1 and Mk2 Pandas that must have well over 100,000 miles on the clock. My neighbour has an Uno diesel that has done well over 200,000 miles and a Mk2 (ie FIRE-engined) Panda 4x4 that's not far behind. Neither is pampered or garaged and (like my 4x4 TA) they go up and down a very steep and deeply-rutted white road several times a day. Some years back I had a Tipo Tds that only suffered a (Bosch) alternator failure in over 150,000 miles. Some vehicles are unreliable - including VWs, Audis, BMWs, etc - and it may be convenient to suggest a mileage where the problems set in; 100,000 miles is a usefully round number but is it anything else? However - though all generalisations have an element of truth - this one needs some backing up before it can be seen as factual.
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There are too many variables to put a precise number on anything like this. How many owners? How was the car driven? How often was it serviced? Were replacement parts OE quality or cheap-and-cheerful? Not to mention the fact that any of the OE parts could fail at any time through any number of defects, or indeed be utterly flawless and go on to do another million miles.

Basically, forget the mileage and check everything.
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As before - what's the basis for this fact or opinion?

I spend almost half the year in Italy and see thousands of 30+-year-old Fiats, especially Mk1 and Mk2 Pandas that must have well over 100,000 miles on the clock. My neighbour has an Uno diesel that has done well over 200,000 miles and a Mk2 (ie FIRE-engined) Panda 4x4 that's not far behind. Neither is pampered or garaged and (like my 4x4 TA) they go up and down a very steep and deeply-rutted white road several times a day. Some years back I had a Tipo Tds that only suffered a (Bosch) alternator failure in over 150,000 miles. Some vehicles are unreliable - including VWs, Audis, BMWs, etc - and it may be convenient to suggest a mileage where the problems set in; 100,000 miles is a usefully round number but is it anything else? However - though all generalisations have an element of truth - this one needs some backing up before it can be seen as factual.

i have been to italy and seen the state of some of the cars people drive around in. doors missing and driving around with a completely failed wheel bearing were my favourite.
it depends what you class as reliable? lots of people drive cars about that are barely working, whilst i like my cars to be 100%



all cars have there good and bad points and i love my fiat, but it is poorly made compared to the equivalent cars out there and the parts tend to wear out quicker.


my girlfriends 100hp had pretty much 0 problems from 60k miles when she got it and as soon as it got near 100k miles it started to break.
window regulator broke, heating/cooling flap broke, thermostat went, coil failed, suspension parts needed replacing, seat bolster foam went plus a few other bits and peices. clutch is also on the way out.


my cinquecento is the same. it has done 110k miles and it has had a hard life, but the engine is in a right state.


my dad had various fiats as company cars 10+ years ago and they were all ok up until the 100k mark and then started to have problems (albeit 1 had quite a few issues from new).


as mentioned, you can be lucky and looking after the car helps, but they do seem to be made to a cost and their lifespan before starting to break tends to be around 100k miles of average usage.
im sure if you abused it, then it would be less than 100k miles before it starts having issues and looking after it would mean it would last longer, but 100k miles is the average amount of time in my experience.
my experiences and what i have read are never going to be factual as there will always be someone who has done 400k miles in a fiat without replacing anything.




finally; italian stuff in general isnt very good quality. i work in engineering and we purchase italian made valves and some electronic parts and they are cheap and work, but they are a bit nasty and dont have the longevity of some other brands.
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ok, so I have just bought a fiat panda active 1.1. 2008


It has only got 3k miles on the clock, which is the main reason I bought it, hopefully it will do me good for a good few years, another reason I bought it is because of cheaper running costs and its size.


anyhow, it has just had a years m.o.t put on it and has only had two elderly lady owners, hence the very low millage. the garage that done the m.o.t said it is a steal for the price of 2k. the only downside is there is no service history or manual, as the lady cant find it, so it could of been serviced or not, my question is, at only 3k on the clock will it all be sound inside? the exhaust has a bit of corrosion but my main concern is the cam belt, but the garage said its just on the cusp of its ten year recommended life span.
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ok, so I have just bought a fiat panda active 1.1. 2008


It has only got 3k miles on the clock, which is the main reason I bought it, hopefully it will do me good for a good few years, another reason I bought it is because of cheaper running costs and its size.


anyhow, it has just had a years m.o.t put on it and has only had two elderly lady owners, hence the very low millage. the garage that done the m.o.t said it is a steal for the price of 2k. the only downside is there is no service history or manual, as the lady cant find it, so it could of been serviced or not, my question is, at only 3k on the clock will it all be sound inside? the exhaust has a bit of corrosion but my main concern is the cam belt, but the garage said its just on the cusp of its ten year recommended life span.
If you're concerned, get it changed along with the aux belt and the water pump. I've seen people changing belts on these engines with hand tools in muddy fields at car shows, so it'll be a doddle for a garage to do, or a great chance to get your hands dirty if you're looking to get into DIY maintenance! Doing an oil and filter change can't hurt too, unless the garage did that already.
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