General Fiat Panda 100hp

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General Fiat Panda 100hp

You may have some valid experiences but your approach is rubbing people up the wrong way. Sweeping generalisations like:


"it is well known that most things italian are a bit on the shoddy side."


are hardly likely to gain you friends on an Italian car forum, surely you must understand this.


As we are expected to take on board your opinions, you should also be able to do the same in return.


it clearly has rubbed some people up the wrong way, but telling people something they dont want to hear generally does.


italian things are generally poorly made. i also have an aprilia motorbike and i have just finished replacing an italian made high level probe at work https://camlogic.it/en/products/detail/pfg05_46. when compared to other brands, its just not quite as good quality. i have been in engineering for almost 20 years so have lots of first hand experience of this.



i am happy to take on peoples opinions, what bothers me is when i am told my opinions are not fact whereas other peoples opinions are fine to be treated as fact.
 
italian things are generally poorly made.

I know, 800 year old case in point here:-

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Looking at that, I can't think why anybody loves the charm of all things Italian;)
 
it clearly has rubbed some people up the wrong way, but telling people something they dont want to hear generally does.


italian things are generally poorly made. i also have an aprilia motorbike and i have just finished replacing an italian made high level probe at work https://camlogic.it/en/products/detail/pfg05_46. when compared to other brands, its just not quite as good quality. i have been in engineering for almost 20 years so have lots of first hand experience of this.



i am happy to take on peoples opinions, what bothers me is when i am told my opinions are not fact whereas other peoples opinions are fine to be treated as fact.

I quite understand the point that you're making observations, which can be seen as valid evidence to back up your opinions. However, coming out with the statement "italian things are generally poorly made." on the basis of your narrow experience - narrow compared with the overall extent of the engineering field - is bound to raise objections. Like the products of most established countries, "Italian things" vary from totally crap to totally wonderful. The contributors to this forum are here because, taking the relationship between cost and quality into account, plus subjective issues, they are generally satisfied with their Fiats - the balance between crap and wonderful is positive.

A statement such as - my experience of Italian engineering has been negative - would carry much more weight, and, backed up by examples, would attract an interested audience. I recently bought an automatic Tissot watch (has to be mechanical) - the strap is a nightmare, the movable loop shifts away from the loose end of the strap tens of times a day and has to be replaced; because it's mechanical and not driven by a vibrating crystal it loses a few seconds every day - all Swiss products are lousy. Make sense?
 
I quite understand the point that you're making observations, which can be seen as valid evidence to back up your opinions. However, coming out with the statement "italian things are generally poorly made." on the basis of your narrow experience - narrow compared with the overall extent of the engineering field - is bound to raise objections. Like the products of most established countries, "Italian things" vary from totally crap to totally wonderful. The contributors to this forum are here because, taking the relationship between cost and quality into account, plus subjective issues, they are generally satisfied with their Fiats - the balance between crap and wonderful is positive.

A statement such as - my experience of Italian engineering has been negative - would carry much more weight, and, backed up by examples, would attract an interested audience. I recently bought an automatic Tissot watch (has to be mechanical) - the strap is a nightmare, the movable loop shifts away from the loose end of the strap tens of times a day and has to be replaced; because it's mechanical and not driven by a vibrating crystal it loses a few seconds every day - all Swiss products are lousy. Make sense?


whilst i admit that my experience is quite narrow in the grand sceme of things, we are talking about cars. i used my experience with mostly electrical and mechanical engineering which relates more closely to cars than the italians skills at making pasta dishes for example.


i can walk around where i work and take loads of photos as evidence, but i dont see that i need to justify myself to that degree for my opinions based on experience to stand up?


i understand what you are saying, i am not using a single example to say all Italian things are crap. it is a general concensus across the motor trade and the engineering trade that italian made things are a little lacking. yes, they are cheaper, and when you put that into context, they are good value for money.



italians have great ideas, italian cars on the most part have a very defined style about them which again is almost universally agreed as being great, and in some cases works of art.
if i was to make a comment to say italians really know how to design cars because my uncle fred said so, this would be acceptable? its a fiat forum, but there has to be some objectiviety to equal everything out.


just to add, i love driving my girlfriends 100hp and i think my cinq is great. i admittedly have good and bad days when it comes to my Aprilia though as it is very temperamental!
 
Any car, any brand with more than 100K on the clock will have issues. Cars used for short journeys will have more wear & tear than ones that mostly cruised the motorways.


Panda's by the type of car they are are unlikely to have a high proportion of motorway miles.


But where they do win is low parts costs, easy maintenance and a design that's developed and evolved over at least 25 years.


They wont set the world alight but they do the job and absorb user abuse very well.
 
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