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We've had our 1.1 Active Eco since 2009. Starts first time in all weathers. The build quality is very good but then it was built in Poland.
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i have been to italy and seen the state of some of the cars people drive around in. doors missing and driving around with a completely failed wheel bearing were my favourite.
it depends what you class as reliable? lots of people drive cars about that are barely working, whilst i like my cars to be 100%



all cars have there good and bad points and i love my fiat, but it is poorly made compared to the equivalent cars out there and the parts tend to wear out quicker.


my girlfriends 100hp had pretty much 0 problems from 60k miles when she got it and as soon as it got near 100k miles it started to break.
window regulator broke, heating/cooling flap broke, thermostat went, coil failed, suspension parts needed replacing, seat bolster foam went plus a few other bits and peices. clutch is also on the way out.


my cinquecento is the same. it has done 110k miles and it has had a hard life, but the engine is in a right state.


my dad had various fiats as company cars 10+ years ago and they were all ok up until the 100k mark and then started to have problems (albeit 1 had quite a few issues from new).


as mentioned, you can be lucky and looking after the car helps, but they do seem to be made to a cost and their lifespan before starting to break tends to be around 100k miles of average usage.
im sure if you abused it, then it would be less than 100k miles before it starts having issues and looking after it would mean it would last longer, but 100k miles is the average amount of time in my experience.
my experiences and what i have read are never going to be factual as there will always be someone who has done 400k miles in a fiat without replacing anything.




finally; italian stuff in general isnt very good quality. i work in engineering and we purchase italian made valves and some electronic parts and they are cheap and work, but they are a bit nasty and dont have the longevity of some other brands.
Horse sh!t, based on questionable observation.
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Horse sh!t, based on questionable observation.

please explain.......
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Fiats start breaking at about 100k miles, so bare that in mind.
My neighbours Panda has 230,000 miles on it and has had one breakdown when the alternator stopped working, that is it. He still drives it daily.
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The 100HP has many parts that are common to other models. Climate control heater is used on the Stilo for example. The flap fault is common to them all.

100K miles from a clutch is good going by any standards especially on a sporty engine. At least the parts are cheap.

Coils - they run at engine temperature but expected to handle 50.000 volts and do it for ever. It's no surprise if they go south at 100K. My bike with air/oil cooled heads blew both of it's stick coils at 40K. At 80 each I was not impressed.

Window regulators get ignored but dirt in the tracks and just general use they will fail. Again parts are not silly money and anyway Fiat use the same suppliers as every one else.

What I like about Fiats is their modularity. Stuff has been honed to do the job at the lowest reliable cost and it's easy to fit. I mean a full set of discs and pads for the 1.1/1.2 Panda are under 30. !!!!! A new exhaust silencer is under 50 for a good brand. Under 30 for Yobbo Brand.

What ****ing more do we want?
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I will happily buy a 100K Panda. If there is no sign of it being done, cam belt, clutch and a full service with EVERYTHING done will be deducted. I'll also expect it cheap because there will be hidden things to go wrong. There always are.

However, any signs of body damage and I walk. e.g. Lie on your back and look up at the boot floor. Any rust there = rust elsewhere like jacking points and sills. It might not be terminal (yet) but it wont be long.

Back axle will also be an issue but that's not simply a Fiat failing and anyway newer model back axles also fit the 169 Panda (current model Panda, Fiat 500 Ford Ka).
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please explain.......

I wrote a long-ish reply with replies to your points before I realised it wasn't worth it. You come across as a standard Fiat-hater and you aren't really stating any facts, just a whingey opinion.


All cars age and wear, some less than Fiat but some more so as well. Once they get a few years and miles under their belts it's mostly down to how well they have been driven and maintained.
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I wrote a long-ish reply with replies to your points before I realised it wasn't worth it. You come across as a standard Fiat-hater and you aren't really stating any facts, just a whingey opinion.


All cars age and wear, some less than Fiat but some more so as well. Once they get a few years and miles under their belts it's mostly down to how well they have been driven and maintained.
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People like to forget that while Fiat and Alfa Romeo were bad for quick rust cars in the 1970s, they were no worse that every other volume car manufacturer of the time.

Fiat with the Uno, made break with the old ways of building cars - way back in the 1980s. Out went inconsistent manual component assembly for tedious jobs. In came robots. The FIRE engine gets its name from robots assembly. But it wasn't just engines; the same approach went into body shells. These could now use zinc plated steel for longer life.

The DNA of the Uno is still visible in the 169 Panda which of course followed from the Mk1 and Mk2 Punto. After the 169 Panda we have the new 500 and the latest larger Panda. The Grande Punto was a major new model by the way.

Any company that follows the same line for so long will have solved most problems. Fiat body shells don't rot and generally the spare parts are low cost.

Fiat also brought us the TDI engine (a joint project with VW) and common rail fuel injection (sold to Bosch).
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I wrote a long-ish reply with replies to your points before I realised it wasn't worth it. You come across as a standard Fiat-hater and you aren't really stating any facts, just a whingey opinion.


All cars age and wear, some less than Fiat but some more so as well. Once they get a few years and miles under their belts it's mostly down to how well they have been driven and maintained.

i am far from a fiat hater. i had pictures of alfa GTVs and fiat cinquecento sportings on my wall when i was younger. as i mentioned, my dad had multiple fiat company cars.



i have bought myself a cinquecento which i have used for a few trackdays and am currently rebuilding the engine on and my girlfriend has a panda 100hp.


i am just not narrow minded enough to think they are the greatest cars in all existence. they are not particularly well made in my opinion.


it is well known that most things italian are a bit on the shoddy side.
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I guess that's the difference between an opinion and facts.

The slightly bizarre thing is your indignant response. If you went on a forum about babies and said "Babies are rubbish", would you also be surprised if people disagreed with you?
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I'm not surprised. Like I said, I'm just being open to the possibility that fiats aren't the best cars in the world.

I was making clear that I do like fiats, but understand their bad points.
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Fiats are not "the Best" cars in the world. What does that actually mean?

Kia make very reliable appliances that go, turn and stop but they are utterly boring means of transport. They also see to have very low production costs so can undercut Europeans manufacturers.

Fiat make mostly small cars that sell on tight margins. For what they cost to buy and service I think they are actually very good value. They also have that indefinable extra that you'll never get from a low cost East Asian car.

Better cars are built by the German's but most dont make small cars. Compare VW's UP with Fiat's small stuff and the Fiats suddenly don't look so bad.

Ford Ka is actually a Fiat Panda with a restyled top. Even the dash is remarkably similar.

GM's Adam looks remarkably similar to the Fiat 500. Who knows if they really are related but they look pretty damn close.

The rather excellent Audi A2 can be ignored as it wasn't cheap when new and Audi quickly dropped it - too costly to build.
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Fiats are not "the Best" cars in the world. What does that actually mean?

Kia make very reliable appliances that go, turn and stop but they are utterly boring means of transport. They also see to have very low production costs so can undercut Europeans manufacturers.

Fiat make mostly small cars that sell on tight margins. For what they cost to buy and service I think they are actually very good value. They also have that indefinable extra that you'll never get from a low cost East Asian car.

Better cars are built by the German's but most dont make small cars. Compare VW's UP with Fiat's small stuff and the Fiats suddenly don't look so bad.

Ford Ka is actually a Fiat Panda with a restyled top. Even the dash is remarkably similar.

GM's Adam looks remarkably similar to the Fiat 500. Who knows if they really are related but they look pretty damn close.

The rather excellent Audi A2 can be ignored as it wasn't cheap when new and Audi quickly dropped it - too costly to build.
Like I said, I was just stating that fiats have faults and they don't last as long as other cars due to being built cheaply.
Others on here seemed to give the impression that there are no better cars out there than fiats.
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Others on here seemed to give the impression that there are no better cars out there than fiats.
Because its a 'FIAT' forum!
Go on any other make of vehicle forum and their manufactured cars are the best in the world.
There are also worse cars out there, I go by the vehicles I see broken down on the side of the road, which are mostly BMW's.
cars are as Reliable as the owner/maintainer one of my other vehicles has a terrible reputation, that's all it is is, badly informed people making opinions without the facts, its 20 years old and still going strong and never let me down including 2 years of commuting between Plymouth and Glasgow. I expect the same of my Panda....
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