General Best place to jack rear of 100HP?

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General Best place to jack rear of 100HP?

Unfortunately that's just not true. If you jack on the sill joint, you'll likely cause some distortion of the sill.

See the picture in this post.

I once refused to take delivery of a new Panda with sill damage caused by a franchised dealer during the PDI; fortunately they had another car of identical spec in the compound.

http://www.fiatia.com/fman-681.html

that is for a punto, but it has the same style jack. there are arrows on the sill trims and a cutout on the plastics where the sill joint is to locate the jack.
 
there are arrows on the sill trims and a cutout on the plastics where the sill joint is to locate the jack.

I can speak personally only for the 500 and Panda 169.

On those models, the arrows on the sills identify the points at which the supplied jack can be used for the purposes of changing a wheel only.

It is NOT safe to jack on the sills at the arrowed points with a trolley jack. We've had several reports on this forum of cars being damaged by doing this. This is just one example.

In the early days of the 500, there were a lot of reports of cars being damaged by roadside assistance companies when changing wheels. IIRC this resulted in AA patrolmen being given specific instructions not to use their own tools to do this, but to use only the owner's original scissor jack.

Myself, and judging by what's posted, several other folk here, won't allow tyre fitters to change a wheel on the car - we take our wheels spearately at tyre change time. Being paranoid, I do this on all cars, but on the 500/Panda, the risk of sill damage is higher than on most marques.
 
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I can speak personally only for the 500 and Panda 169.

On those models, the arrows on the sills identify the points at which the supplied jack can be used for the purposes of changing a wheel only.

It is NOT safe to jack on the sills at the arrowed points with a trolley jack. We've had several reports on this forum of cars being damaged by doing this. This is just one example.

In the early days of the 500, there were a lot of reports of cars being damaged by roadside assistance companies when changing wheels. IIRC this resulted in AA patrolmen being given specific instructions not to use their own tools to do this, but to use only the owner's original scissor jack.

Myself, and judging by what's posted, several other folk here, won't allow tyre fitters to change a wheel on the car - we take our wheels spearately at tyre change time. Being paranoid, I do this on all cars, but on the 500/Panda, the risk of sill damage is higher than on most marques.

i understand that the sill shouldnt be jacked up on with a trolley jack without the correct pad.

i use one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-Rubber...028284?hash=item25d824017c:g:7ZYAAOSw3YJZO~B7

like i said, if you do it correctly there is no issue jacking up on the sill. i have never bent a sill and i jack all my cars up off there 90% of the time.
 
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if you do it correctly there is no issue jacking up on the sill.

We'll just have to disagree on that.


That's the least dangerous jacking pad I've yet seen; if my life depended on jacking the car up on the sill, that's what I'd use. But it's still a a risk I'd rather not take, when there are safer alternatives available.

Part of the problem is that the height of the sill is not the same on either side of the seam, and the difference in height may vary between individual vehicles due to manufacturing tolerances. So you can't design a pad that will reliably split the load between inner & outer sills, and the seam itself isn't really strong enough to cope with any side loads without bending.

The other risk is that even if you don't do any visible damage, you could cause cracking of the seam sealant, which will allow water to penetrate the seam, and we all know what that will lead to.

You'll be hard pressed (if you'll pardon the pun) to find a 500/Panda that hasn't got some distortion in the bottom sill seam.
 
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I always use a hydraulic jack under the rear axle. Axlestands under the original jackpoints if needed.

gr J

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Make what you will of this, but eLearn for the 500 (which uses the same floor pan) has a specific prohibition against lifting the car on the rear beam.

This is what I do. Trolley jack under the middle of the back axle. Leave 'box in gear and chock the front wheels. Easy peasy. However, I can see how the axle could easily slide off the jack so a slotted block of wood would help. Alternatively jack under the spring pans.

You also need a 4" piece of "2 x 1" timber between the inner sill and axle stand top. The unsupported sill flange will not take any weight. It might be possible to fine a rubber block with slot for the sill flange, but Ive not seen anything with a deep enough slot.

Look carefully at the sill ends and you will see a little triangle where the material is considered thick enough to take the weight.
 
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