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Old 10-01-2017   #1
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I am thinking of committing murder by selling my 100HP in exchange for a new Panda 4X4.

Can anyone tell me what these are really like to srive on icy winter roads. As the car is used by my other half its really extar security on muddy and icy Norfolk roads that I am looking for. I am still not convinced this would make an appreciable difference.

I know I would have fun with the car and occasioanlly I have had long trips in snow where it would be good. Its whether there is much difference in the normal run of things?
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Look at the 0-60 time... I have the old climbing (with a new motor)... its scarily slow, slowest car Ive ever tried (love it), dont know with the new new 4x4 though, should be faster and more economical...
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Big fan of both. 100hp is a real hoot.
4x4 is also a real hoot, but in a completely different way. With the right tyres they are nearly unstoppable in snow (I said nearly!) but then again a 2wd with winter snow tyres is pretty good too.
I could see where a 100hp with sporty wide (-ish) summer tyres may struggle a bit though.
And I think the culture shock of 100hp to sedate (well, slooooooooow) might be a wrench too. And they are a bit thirsty when driven quickly (relative term)
I'd keep the 100hp.
And invest in..
Winter tyres? On steel wheels?
Or
Snow socks? AutoSocks are good (although not tried them on a Panda yet. Maybe on Thursday if forecast is right!). Even legal in the Alps now.
Can be got for 25 ish for a pair. Keep in boot for when needed.
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We have a 2010 Cross and the best way to describe it would be "it's like a mountain goat".
Nimble, economical, extremely agile and sure footed.
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Quote Originally Posted by petercresswell View Post
I am thinking of committing murder by selling my 100HP in exchange for a new Panda 4X4.

Can anyone tell me what these are really like to srive on icy winter roads. As the car is used by my other half its really extar security on muddy and icy Norfolk roads that I am looking for. I am still not convinced this would make an appreciable difference.

I know I would have fun with the car and occasioanlly I have had long trips in snow where it would be good. Its whether there is much difference in the normal run of things?
I've run a 4x4 Climbing in the alps for 5 years now. With winter tyres it's never let me down and I'd say is better on snow and ice than the Defender, Navara and Outlander I've driven in the same conditions. Definitely more capable than Range Rovers and Audi quattros as she's rescued a good dozen of them over the years.

If you stick with the 100hp I'd recommend winter tyres over snow socks. I see a lot of 2 wheel drive cars with socks struggling, often the wheels just spin inside the socks and wear through. If winter tyres are too pricey then chains over snow socks any day. I'm running Nokian tyres at the moment but I think my old Avon Ice Touring were better. Had Vredesteins on the Outlander which were excellent too but a lot more expensive than the Avons.
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@Chamonix yep, Panda 4x4 pretty much unstoppable in snow with the right tyres.
As a bonus, it really annoys the drivers of the large 4x4s with low profile wide tyres when an ordinary Panda 4x4 gets up a hill, while they are going nowhere. I've been both... the Discovery on normal tyres was well hammered by an 06 Panda 4x4 in moderate snow despite me knowing how to use it properly. Heavy car, fat tyres, icy snow, and moderate slope against lightweight car with m+s tyres. Not even close!

Winter tyres are definitely the best option, but real snow socks (not the cut price junk) of the right size work very well for me. Better than old-school chains sometimes. They have limitations, but most of the problems I've seen with them is entirely down to driving ability (or lack of). Usually from impatient people driving large engined german cars, although that could be coincidence.
Gentle acceleration and braking, low speed and concentration has worked so far for me.
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