Hi Guys,

I'm new to the forum and I've been very tempted by coopermans £30 induction mod. However every time I click the link he posted on how to build/make it I get "Page not found". Does anyone else know what I need to buy to do this mod?

I apologise if I put this in the wrong section of the forum but it seemed the right place to put it. Any help would be much appreciated.

There was a rogue : at the end of the URL in cooperman1's thread - here's the correct link - https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/319449-100hp-induction-mod-under-30-a.html

Yapsta56,

I've just done the mode myself,
I used a 80mm (inner diameter) Coupling Silicone Hose (75mm in length), an 80mm outer dia Alloy hose connector (102mm length) and a 90 Degree Elbow Reducer (80-70mm ID)+ 3x 70-90mm Hose Clips - Worm Drive Zinc Plated

I did this, but didn't really get much of a notable change in induction sound

chuff said:

I did this, but didn't really get much of a notable change in induction sound

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Chuff,

I going to have to agree with you on this one, I haven't notice a significant note change, as I have with other induction system I've previously installed (on other cars)...I think is maybe my paper air filter is dirty or... Maybe, just maybe a K&N type (oil panel) filter might give us the Whaaahp! sound we're looking for.

Thanks alot for the help guys, I'll post the results when i get round to buying the parts.

I have one spare that hasn't been used for a couple of years. Happy to post for £15.

Is that still available Dan?

Hi Chaps
May i ask, will this work on a 2008 fiat 500 16v 100hp 1.4? the engine layout in my car looks the same as the photos on the cooper man thread for 100hp 16v pandas, but best to check
cheers

The OEM air intake bend is not restrictive but does have chambers to deal with resonant noise.

If you want the intake slurp, remove the OEM filter box and fit a K&N pod filter. TBH I find he growl at every gear shift soon gets tiresome but whatever. ASH have a pod filter case though I suspect their graphics show the airflow going the wrong way. Oiled cotton filters normally flow in from the outside.

If you want research on K&N check what David Vizard had to say about them.
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/sh...TERS-the-myths-and-truths-dating-back-to-1976

Can you check E-Per if the part# is the same for the 100HP and the 500 1.4?
I love the sound (noticeable@ 3500+ rpm) of the induction without the resonators. I have a K&N panelfilter in the original airbox (cause it can be cleaned instead of discarded) as well.
Problem with conefilters is that they almost always end up in the wrong place, sucking hot air into the engine (bad!).

gr J (not a boyracer, but two times granddad)

A3jeroen said:

Problem with conefilters is that they almost always end up in the wrong place, sucking hot air into the engine (bad!).

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The one offered by ASH is a carbon tube case with hose stubs one each end.


I suspect the flow lines are drawn the wrong way around but you get the point.

I'm not sure I get why you would bother. An aftermarket air filter attracts an insurance premium for little to no performance advantage in this car, as far as I know. I listen to the radio in my car anyway.

some insurance companies are quite steep on air filters

Air Filter 25% is one example


not sure I'd pay extra to listen to air ??? There are some cars that are detuned by restricting the airflow, Corsa springs to mind and removing this restriction makes a difference. Has anyone done a before and after on a rolling road ??


I watched a portable rolling road at a car show. "Nearly" every car that had bolt on mods made less power than if it was left stock from the factory..

Maybe some people don't mind paying extra for (in their opinion) better sound.
Otherwise no-one would buy expensive guitars for example, and just get the cheap Chinese/Mexican ones.

koalar said:

I'm not sure I get why you would bother. An aftermarket air filter attracts an insurance premium for little to no performance advantage in this car, as far as I know. I listen to the radio in my car anyway.

some insurance companies are quite steep on air filters

Air Filter 25% is one example


not sure I'd pay extra to listen to air ??? There are some cars that are detuned by restricting the airflow, Corsa springs to mind and removing this restriction makes a difference. Has anyone done a before and after on a rolling road ??


I watched a portable rolling road at a car show. "Nearly" every car that had bolt on mods made less power than if it was left stock from the factory..

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Totally agree, but some are quite happy to do this either for sound or thinking they have made a difference to the performance of their car. then scrimp on servicing parts and things needed for the vehicle. Each to their own.

Whoops Sorry.

I sound a bit negative about the modification

I'm not

It just seem a bit unfair for such a hike but not all insurers will be the same.

Its just if I have to pay such a lot extra for the mod I would like to gain some extra performance also.

When I first purchased my Coupe years ago, in the boot was a double foam mushroom filter, it was actually well made from aluminium. Tried it for a week or two and the sound was pretty good and throaty, had to take it off and put back to OE the car just wasn’t running well after a while the MAF did not like it.

As a side point, I've got one of those enclosed air filters on my multijet.

I took the original filter box/engine cover off as I found one of the plastic fuel pipes had been rubbing on it over the years and it finally split.

Anyway, I can't say I've noticed any change to the sound (it's a diesel.....it's never going to sound "sporty"), but maybe a small improvement in fuel economy....could also be my imagination.

What I have found to be factual, is the drop in intake air temperature.

I experimented running Torque on my phone.

Ambient air temperature 26 degrees. 10 min run at 50mph, average air intake temperatures.

Standard airbox - 33 degrees.
Cone air filter (no air feed duct) - 38 degrees
Cone air filter (3" duct to lower grill) - 36 degrees
Enclosed filter (no duct) - 35 degrees
Enclosed filter (3" sealed duct to front lower grill) - 28 degrees.

So the enclosed carbon type filter does provide lower intake temperatures, as long as the air going to it is taken from outside the engine bay.

However, remember that the intake is much lower than standard..... especially when going through a flood.....as I found out to my cost in February..... fortunately it survived to tell the tale ��

The Panda takes it's air from the front grille so is probably as cool as it gets. However, the big air box sat at the top of the engine bay provides a large surface area for heat soak with slow moving airflow so as Cinq999 says it will warm the incoming air. The ECU measures (or rather infers) incoming air mass so it's no problem for normal driving but it will affect top end power.

That all said, the Panda 60 is so gently tuned I doubt the difference is measurable.