General Panda 1.1 Active, Rear Exhaust back box

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General Panda 1.1 Active, Rear Exhaust back box

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Good Morning,
I have had an Advisory for the Last two years regarding my back box, its rusted to hell and needs replacing, firstly can just the back box be replaced (i know this may sound stupid but looking at the whole exhaust i cant see where the "joins" are) and secondly roughly how much should i have to pay to have it fitted.

Many thanks in advance
 
Morning, if you have the original exhaust fitted there will be no join to separate the back box from the centre section, you will need to replace centre & back box. It would be cheaper to buy & fit yourself from say Euro car parts. As price for supply & fitted your have to shop around.
 
I needed to replace mine recently, it wasn't the original so, separated from the centre pipe at the joint just before the rear axle.This can be an awful job, and sometimes near impossible, if its been on the car for a long time.I had to do the same job on the wifes and ended up having to cut the old system into three pieces to remove entirely and fit both new centre and rear sections even thought it was the back box that was blowing. From memeory it cost me around £60 for the 2 parts and around £3 for the exhaust paste.
Out of interest I called into my local ATS and got a quote from them to replace the whole system and they quoted me £175.
Hope this helps.
 
I've replaced a couple of back boxes on these and they can be a bit of a struggle if you can't get under the car properly.

They can look really rotten with big chunks flaking off yet still not leak as the box has a couple of skins.

There are attacked both from outside and within as vapour inside doesn't get hot enough to stream off.
Later cars from 2012 I think have a drain in the box to allow this to escape.

As mentioned, the box splits froward of the rear axle and travels over it.
The joint will not doubt be well crusted up and will probably require force or a grinder to separate.
There's only one clamp (to the mid pipe) and a couple of rubbers to undo.

Be wary of cheap pattern boxes, I bought a cheapo "React" one from Eurocarpars and it bunged up the engine.
 
I've replaced a couple of back boxes on these and they can be a bit of a struggle if you can't get under the car properly.

They can look really rotten with big chunks flaking off yet still not leak as the box has a couple of skins.

There are attacked both from outside and within as vapour inside doesn't get hot enough to stream off.
Later cars from 2012 I think have a drain in the box to allow this to escape.

As mentioned, the box splits froward of the rear axle and travels over it.
The joint will not doubt be well crusted up and will probably require force or a grinder to separate.
There's only one clamp (to the mid pipe) and a couple of rubbers to undo.

:yeahthat:
 
Goudrons (y)
Any suggestions as to the brands to buy to avoid bunging up the engine?

React (n)

Eurocarparts are now showing a brand called Klarius

??? (y)
 
On our old Active I fitted that React one and it wouldn't rev out and it took a week or two before I realised it was spluttering exhaust gases out two minutes after I shut off the engine!

I replaced that with a good used genuine box I got reasonably (Fleabay)
Try searching for the later Ford Ka, they share the same rear box.

My sisters I think I did replaced that with a Klarius one from Euro.

Generally an original exhaust should last 5 years or so, a pattern replacement (none stainless) around 3 years.

Obviously buy a new clamp and some exhaust assembly paste.
You'll no doubt need to peel the old joint apart.
I carefully broke the rotten old clamp off, then ran my dremel up the side of pipe, each side, not all the way through, just enough as not to damage the mid section end that's jammed inside.
Then peeled back the two halves to get it apart.
 
Really useful thread. Just had an "advisory" from a tyre shop regarding the back box on my son's 2009 1.1 Active Eco - closer examination showed it had shed the outside layer, and is down to what feels a paper thin inner layer.

Always tended to do my own exhaust replacements on my cars, so will probably replace this myself. Bit scary reading about dodgy pattern parts - have used Bosal exhausts before, and they seemed good, or is it best to go OEM?
 
OEM vs Pattern part depends on a lot of factors.

How long you plan to keep car.

Whether it bothers you if it sounds different.


Not sure how many different types there are and how they fit to different engines. Been under 2005 and 2006 1.2 with completely different back box.
One was straight front to back the other was mounted a right angles.


Seen S/H nearly new OEM around £30 and new pattern parts for around £25.

Fitted pattern exhausts to other vehicles in the past and they haven't lasted very long 20-40,000 miles. I tend not to do short journeys and would expect 100,000 out of an OEM.


Often they are not as well packed and sound harsher and somewhat annoying on longer journeys.
 
The car's probably a keeper - we've had it for nearly 18 months now and it's been reliable, easy to drive and costs buttons to run. And has the fun factor that the best cheap Fiats have had.

Appreciate your input. Can't see used OEM stuff coming up that often, Are Fiat dealers the only source of OEM parts?
 
have used Bosal exhausts before, and they seemed good, or is it best to go OEM?
Bosal no longer sell in the UK, but I think you can get them from Mister Auto
http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/end-silencer/fiat-panda-169-1-2-60hp_v17628_g3437.html

My local garage says it is now difficult to get decent aftermarket exhausts. They often have to reshape them to fit. Catalytic converters get the exhaust hot earlier than non-cat, so exhausts last longer. This has made the aftermarket much less profitable, so quality has dropped. Bosal are still good, but their UK operation ceased trading a few years back.
Walker used to be good, but now are just OK.
Klarius are somewhere between the two.

I just has a stainless system put on mine from Longlife, £329. Sounds a lot, but I intend keeping the car for a long time.

Not sure how many different types there are and how they fit to different engines. Been under 2005 and 2006 1.2 with completely different back box.
One was straight front to back the other was mounted a right angles.

I think the straight one is the 2wd, the one across the car is 4wd. Few aftermarket supplier seem to have realised it is this simple.
 
My local garage says it is now difficult to get decent aftermarket exhausts. They often have to reshape them to fit.


I think the straight one is the 2wd, the one across the car is 4wd. Few aftermarket supplier seem to have realised it is this simple.


Cheguava
I've bought a few ebay items that then get shipped from Polska / Deutschland,

fit .. in fact even styling.. are all the same as OEM,

my car now spends a while parked-up ..
so the back boxes don't last over-long.. but are circa £30 delivered..

worst part is getting the hanger rubbers on and off the wire bracket..

whilst it's off - worth checking security of the heat shield.. my 2004 has dropped after 12 years.. access to rivets is only 50% with the rear box covering the other half..

Charlie
 
Bosal no longer sell in the UK, but I think you can get them from Mister Auto
http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/end-silencer/fiat-panda-169-1-2-60hp_v17628_g3437.html

My local garage says it is now difficult to get decent aftermarket exhausts. They often have to reshape them to fit. Catalytic converters get the exhaust hot earlier than non-cat, so exhausts last longer. This has made the aftermarket much less profitable, so quality has dropped. Bosal are still good, but their UK operation ceased trading a few years back.
Walker used to be good, but now are just OK.
Klarius are somewhere between the two.

I just has a stainless system put on mine from Longlife, £329. Sounds a lot, but I intend keeping the car for a long time.



I think the straight one is the 2wd, the one across the car is 4wd. Few aftermarket supplier seem to have realised it is this simple.



Girlfriends 1.1 2006 is at 90 but no guarantee its how the original was
 
The car's probably a keeper - we've had it for nearly 18 months now and it's been reliable, easy to drive and costs buttons to run. And has the fun factor that the best cheap Fiats have had.

Appreciate your input. Can't see used OEM stuff coming up that often, Are Fiat dealers the only source of OEM parts?


Funny you should say this as a couple on eBay. Unfortunately there expensive if you include the postage.


Wonder how much one from a Ford dealer would be ???
 
Just going through the same thing for the GF car


Had to cut the old one off. Someone had welded the old one to the CAT and welded the back box onto the centre pipe.

Got the parts from 3 different local motor factors

Back box £19.95 + VAT from CES
Centre pipe £26 inc from General Traffic
Exhaust manifold gasket £5.99 inc from Euro Car Parts.
 
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Cheguava
I've bought a few ebay items that then get shipped from Polska / Deutschland,

fit .. in fact even styling.. are all the same as OEM,

whilst it's off - worth checking security of the heat shield.. my 2004 has dropped after 12 years.. access to rivets is only 50% with the rear box covering the other half..

Charlie

I might have to do ours in the next few weeks..anybody seen any good offers..?
 
Just going through the same thing for the GF car


Had to cut the old one off. Someone had welded the old one to the CAT and welded the back box onto the centre pipe.

Got the parts from 3 different local motor factors

Back box £19.95 + VAT from CES
Centre pipe £26 inc from General Traffic
Exhaust manifold gasket £5.99 inc from Euro Car Parts.

All fitted.

One of the bends was a bit out on the back box. No real problem. Put a piece of wood between the rear axial and the exhaust then jacked the area that needed bending.

Fits perfectly now.


Used a tube of silicon from Poudstretcher as the gasket 99p
 
Used a tube of silicon from Poudstretcher as the gasket 99p

This is in the true spirit of Panda ownership :).

Spend what you need to keep the car in good order, but watch every penny (y).

I'm aiming to keep the total cost of ownership below 20p/mile. Petrol is about half of that.
 
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Should have put a warning in my previous post.


Silicon is fine down stream of the lambda seniors but will harm them if used upstream.


In fact by the way this has worked I would say better as it doesn't crack and flake off.
 
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