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General Which used Panda to buy for first car?

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General Which used Panda to buy for first car?

Matt100HP said:
True, but the 100HP is like a rocket ship compared to the standard 1.1 and 1.2 Pandas.

Just looking at the official figures for the 100HP and the 1.2 (the most common Panda), the 100HP can get itself to 60 about four seconds quicker than even the newer 69bhp 1.2 Panda, never mind the older, 60bhp models and the even slower again 1.1.

Since the OP is only looking at the MK3 Panda range, it seems misleading to call the 100HP "not quick" but fail to mention that the 1.2 (and 1.1) Pandas are considerably slower again.
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What I said was it was not a sports car as well as not quick, both are true. The marketing and certain user comments of the 100HP tend to make one think it is a hot or medium warm hatch, it blatantly is not. It is a great car, but it is NOT quick, and it is NOT a sports car - which is what I said before. :rolleyes:
The other pandas are not marketed as a boy racer car hence no qualification is needed, they are perfectly adequate in the 'performance' market for their target audience. So, I would respectfully disagree. there is no need to do a comparison to another panda otherwise any warm/hot type cars performance would be in reference to other members of it's family, which is obviously not the case.:cool:
 
captainslarty said:
A/C used as heating is no different than a normal heater apart from better temperature regulation. It has absolutely no de-humidification properties at all.
Demisting the car is also of no consequence in reference to A/C or standard heater... :confused:
Quite extraordinary claims.... !(n) - I would do some research if I was you..
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The RAC disagree with you:
http://www.rac.co.uk/community/blog...-demist-your-windscreen-in-double-quick-time/

If your car has air conditioning, make sure it’s switched on and the heater blast is directed at the windscreen. Misting is caused by water vapour condensing on the screen – the air-con will dry out the air, removing any moisture.
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Hot air will dry the glass a little through evaporation, but the air will then cool down and condense on the glass once more, so make sure the A/C is on to keep the atmosphere inside dry.
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Matt100HP said:
The RAC disagree with you:
http://www.rac.co.uk/community/blog...-demist-your-windscreen-in-double-quick-time/
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The HEATER will dry out and demist, NOT the air con.
The RAC is wrong, they would be correct in saying if you have a heater then....:rolleyes:
It makes no difference - hot air in an A/C system is exactly the same as hot air in a standard Heater system !!!!
The RAC is full of hot air if they believe otherwise.. they only know how to bring petrol, jump start a flat battery and change a fan belt, and to be honest, they usually refuse to change a fan belt... so not really a good source lol (y)
 
captainslarty said:
A/C used as heating is no different than a normal heater apart from better temperature regulation. It has absolutely no de-humidification properties at all.
Demisting the car is also of no consequence in reference to A/C or standard heater... :confused:
Quite extraordinary claims.... !(n) - I would do some research if I was you..
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Total ********.

Why do you think A/C units need a water drain?
 
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captainslarty said:
Because of the condensation forming on the CONDENSER unit !!!! FROM the air con !! - the air con CAUSES condensation at that point. :bang:

Sheesh ;) :D
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Water condenses on the evaporator, not the condensor.

You need to take Air Conditioning 101.

I'm sorry, but in this case you're just plain wrong. If you continue to pursue your argument, you will end up looking like a complete idiot. You have been given fair warning.

And we're drifting seriously
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jrkitching said:
Water condenses on the evaporator, not the condensor.

You need to take Air conditioning 101.

I'm sorry, but in this case you're just plain wrong. If you continue to pursue your argument, you will end up looking like a complete idiot. You have been given fair warning.
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You admit now that the unit CAUSES condensation. At last !!!
If you would like to be even more pedantic, condensation occurs on most areas of the system that are un-lagged. I am glad you have done some reading though, now you will know that A/C in a vehicle does not De-Humidify !!! - in a rolls, the complexities of the system used may control humidity to a certain degree, in a panda, not. The myths held in belief by certain members of the gullible public.

I rest my case yer 'oner... (y)
 
A3jeroen said:
:eek:Condensor would be at the front of the car. Evaporator inside the car...;)
And the moisture in the air would condensate on the cold evaporator.

gr J
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leading to a higher humidity inside the vehicle in warm weather with aircon on... thereby disproving any theories of de humidification at this level of vehicular air con ................
Also condensation WILL occur on the condenser... we are not concerned due to it being outside

However, if it was on hot, then it would work just like a normal heater. - it would not de-humidify... ergo, back to square one..;)
 
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captainslarty said:
Ynow you will know that A/C in a vehicle does not De-Humidify !!!
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On the contrary, I know that it does, as will anyone with any engineering training, and as will anyone who's ever turned their A/C on to demist their car.

My advice to anyone reading this is to ignore captainslarty; he is just plain wrong.
 
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Please feel free to start another topic and explain exactly HOW. ?
We managed for years with a heater. it is no different on hot. You are not using top of the range climate control that WOULD COST MORE THAN THE CAR.
I look forward to your information in another thread. Get the books out in the mean time, then the grovelling apology would be welcome. :)
 
We had two courtesy cars when I was waiting for mine to get fixed, neither had climate control. Both of them badly suffered with the side windows steaming up and the front if we didn't have the fan on.

We always have the HP's Climate Control on and find the side windows clear quickly and remain clear and the front window clears quickly and stays clear.
 
captainslarty said:
leading to a higher humidity inside the vehicle in warm weather with aircon on... thereby disproving any theories of de humidification at this level of vehicular air con ................
Also condensation WILL occur on the condenser... we are not concerned due to it being outside

However, if it was on hot, then it would work just like a normal heater. - it would not de-humidify... ergo, back to square one..;)
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You are more wrong than you realize I guess.
The coolingagent (probably R134A) will condensate inside the condensor (in front of your radiator) and cooled by the outside air flowing through it. Inside the evaporator it will.... wait for it:rolleyes: evaporate and in the process of doing so extract heat and moisture out of the air flowing through it that's blown through it by the fan. That the same air is later heated by the heatermatrix makes not much difference.

gr J
 
you really believe a water drain is climate control lol :D ????
It does NOT remove moisture from inside the car... it is a myth. The system is too basic. You have been baffled with 'climate control' etc.. mere words.. not descriptive of the actual system apart from cooler and hotter.

YOU DO NOT HAVE CLIMATE CONTROL.... :rolleyes: (y)(y)

YOU DO NOT REMOVE HUMIDITY ANY BETTER THAN A HEATER.

PERIOD.:D

Wanna buy some dehydrated water ?? - or a magnetic fuel conditioner ? - or a 'rechip' for a 1.2 ??? or a rechip for a 100hp - more performance !!! Petrol additives, big bore exhaust back boxes.... after market Air filters to increase performance etc etc
ALL THE ABOVE ARE CONS TOO. - snake oil....
 
LOL. You are wrong and that is that. Have a look at what a dehumidifier is and you'll see it's just an air conditioner where the condenser and evaporator are not separated.
 
306maxi said:
LOL. You are wrong and that is that. Have a look at what a dehumidifier is and you'll see it's just an air conditioner where the condenser and evaporator are not separated.
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as I keep telling you ludites, ;), you are putting water / humidity INTO the vehicle that would be removed by normal airflow. you are creating humidity.
:D - wake up, smell the coffee..
 
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