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Hi, pretty please can somebody help!

My Fiat Panda 1.2 Dynamic (2007) Broke down earlier this week on the way to work.

Please excuse my 'non technical' explanation...


The car started making a ticking noise as I was driving, whenever I pressed the accelerator. The faster I went the louder the noise.

After about 3 miles it cut out completely and now will not start. It has been towed home for me.

The oil light had just come on, but I've checked and there is oil in the car (Ive since topped up).

My hubby has taken a look and cant see anything obvious.

When I try and star it makes a kind of wheezing squeal, but the engine does not start. The internal car electrics work though, radio, lights, dash lights etc.

There are no warning lights on the dash - petrol light is on, but it does need petrol!!!

Hubby tried an engine diagnostics checker and its reading no faults.

Has anyone experienced similar? What was the problem?
Thanks ever so much...
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do the normal ignition lights come on when you turn the key ? have a look with the bonnet open at the alternator belt (drivers side of engine) turn key to start is the belt moving ? if yes could be your timing belt that has broken ( makes that sound of fast squel when its gone )
if its not moving the alternator belt then could be a broken engine earth or stuffed starter, if you have some jump leads then connect the black lead to the battery negative and the other end of the black lead onto the metal of the engine and try again. if that works look for a bad or broken earth from the battery to the engine
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Hi, pretty please can somebody help!

My Fiat Panda 1.2 Dynamic (2007) Broke down earlier this week on the way to work.
The oil light had just come on, but I've checked and there is oil in the car (Ive since topped up).


Thanks ever so much...
how low was the oil by the way ?
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Did the oil light come on as the car was making the noise?

If so, then sounds like you've had low oil pressure and potentially seized the engine. What diagnosis did the recovery agent give
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thank you ever so much for your replies.

Belts both working. Ignition lights come on when I turn the key.

Oil was rather low - lower than I dare to admit. But there was a little left in!

Diagnostics tester reads 'no faults'???
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thank you ever so much for your replies.

Belts both working. Ignition lights come on when I turn the key.

Oil was rather low - lower than I dare to admit. But there was a little left in!

Diagnostics tester reads 'no faults'???
so its turning over ok ? or still has funny noise ?
you could disconnect battery overnight and try again in the morning, they can be a bit tempremental ref battery voltage etc
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Sorry Im not explaining myself very well. No the car wont turn over, it makes a squeal type noise when I try, can turn key so that electrics come on but when I turn further for engine power - squeels and dies.
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Have you tried a jump lead from negative battery to engine body ? See above post
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so its turning over ok ? or still has funny noise ?
you could disconnect battery overnight and try again in the morning, they can be a bit tempremental ref battery voltage etc
so engine is not turning over ?. do all the lights die when you try it ? have you checked all battery connection ok ? if all thats done and you still not getting anywhere then it could be fatal (ciezed engine) you neet to try turn the crank either with a spanner or by trying to bump car or rock it forward & back in first gear (ign off) and see if engine / crank is moving.
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I'd try rolling the car an bump starting it, will soon tell if its seized when you lift the clutch, be gentle though so you don't damage the gearbox if the engine is seized.
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Oh dear. This sounds bad.

If you have access to some decent tools I'd recommend removing all 4 spark plugs (taking care not to strain and damage the high tension leads when you pull them off), then put the car in neutral and see if you can turn the crankshaft pulley with a socket or spanner. If it won't turn, chances are the engine is seized and you will need a major rebuild or a new engine. Hopefully something less serious. Time to get a mechanic to look at it I think.
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I'd try rolling the car an bump starting it, will soon tell if its seized when you lift the clutch, be gentle though so you don't damage the gearbox if the engine is seized.
if you've run it "dry" then yes - that is the easiest test,

if it doesn't turn over at all then assume it's locked-up due to lack of lubrication..it will require a new engine ( budget 200 to 600 + fitting),

repairs to an engine that has run dry will be vast = so a used engine is the cheaper option


where are you based ?,
any FF member would know straight away how severe it is..!!,
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Oh dear. This sounds bad.

If you have access to some decent tools I'd recommend removing all 4 spark plugs (taking care not to strain and damage the high tension leads when you pull them off), then put the car in neutral and see if you can turn the crankshaft pulley with a socket or spanner. If it won't turn, chances are the engine is seized and you will need a major rebuild or a new engine. Hopefully something less serious. Time to get a mechanic to look at it I think.
eaiser than that is remove air flter box = 2 x 10mm HEX headed screws

then cam-cover ( metal box) 4 x 10mm HEX headed screws,
in there is the camshaft,
this SHOULD be oily + shiny ( polished looking) metal.. if its DRY and things are rusty/scratched = then it's TOAST..,

wish I could post pics easily to help you out there, my Panda's apart today ( pics are of the camshaft.etc)
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eaiser than that is remove air flter box = 2 x 10mm HEX headed screws

then cam-cover ( metal box) 4 x 10mm HEX headed screws,
in there is the camshaft,
this SHOULD be oily + shiny ( polished looking) metal.. if its DRY and things are rusty/scratched = then it's TOAST..,

wish I could post pics easily to help you out there, my Panda's apart today ( pics are of the camshaft.etc)
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had a knocking noise before it stopped could be bottom end problem like big end ceized, might not show signs of this on the cam
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had a knocking noise before it stopped could be bottom end problem like big end ceized, might not show signs of this on the cam
oil starvation will show on cam's pretty quickly,
also bake dry too

trying to PUSH it would be my 1st choice.. then have peek under cam-cover

(5 minute job.!) wish it wasn't so awkward to post pics on here.
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