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Real world MPG help!

New house is increasing my yearly mileage somewhat... Sooo I’m after the cheapest to run car I can find!

I recently bought a 100hp and have found it to be a great little car. So I’m interested in another panda but this time the most fuel efficient type I can get!


Can anyone throw some real world MPG figures my way to help me decide??


The drive will be mostly country lanes and then a burst on the motorway (80/20), so not too much stop start or traffic. Am I aiming towards a 1.3 multijet diesel....?

Other cars I’m considering are the petrol or diesel Citroen C1, but I think the panda is coming in slightly cheaper to buy an equivalent car.

Lots of MPG values would be appreciated!
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Re: Real world MPG help!

In our Mk3 1.2, we average just short of 50 mpg. Mostly country lanes; a 160 mile round-trip to London every two to three weeks; and a chunk of town driving.

Hope this helps. (If there had been a diesel automatic Panda, then that would have made more sense... -- but there is no such beast; and, to be honest, the 1.2 is more than economical and powerful enough for Mrs homeward's work needs, etc..)
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Re: Real world MPG help!

My average in the HP is 44.8 MPG on a 48 mile round trip everyday for work.

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If you want the cheapest possible motoring then the 1.2 petrol Panda takes some beating.

Ladykitching avarages about 55mpg on a rural 40 mile round trip commute. Driving for economy requires discipline but several folks have seen better than 55mpg lifetime averages in the 1.2 (hello udtrev) & one chap here has broken the 60 mpg barrier with a 1.2 500 in long term driving.

If your budget will stretch, it might be cheaper overall to buy new; prereg petrol Pandas can be had for £6495 if you can live without aircon. That's about as cheap as it gets.
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Re: Real world MPG help!

The Multijet loves country roads. Most of my driving is across the city, but I usually still get at least 60mpg. This improves with free flowing traffic and less gear changes. If your country roads flow around 50mph, the Multijet will be in its element. 70s on the motorway will use more fuel obviously than 60mph.

And I wouldn't recommend buying diesel in Sainsbury's as I don't know about anyone else, but my Panda hates it. I use Maxol mostly but Tesco is ok if stuck.
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Re: Real world MPG help!

Out of interest, what average MPG are you getting from the 100HP?
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Heard lots of people struggling to get 37 in a HP.
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Re: Real world MPG help!

Here is something good from Germany !

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/

Enter your car model and get real world consumption from a lot of users

Here Panda results:

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overvi...ml?powerunit=2

Average for petrol models is 6.44 l/100km = 47 MPG
Best result is 2.4 l/100 km = 141 MPG

MPG Converter: http://mpg.webix.co.uk/
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Thanks for the replies!

My 100hp is doing pretty well. Usually more than 40mpg. With 50mph traffic on the motorway to Cannock Chase the other day the trip comp was showing 53.6!

A bit of fun on the way home and chasing a caddy (of all things....) it did about 47 on the way home. Trip up from London at 70 all the way and it did 47mpg.


I forgot to add the fact that when I say significant mileage, I mean ill be doing 25,000 a year....

Mileage: 25000
mpg: 45
Litre cost: 135p
= £3400

Mileage: 25000
mpg: 65
Litre cost: 145p
= £2500

Mileage: 25000
mpg: 65
Litre cost: 135p
= £2360


When you start doing that kind of mileage 5mpg here or there really makes a difference. To be honest... im looking for a car that will do 65mpg. As mentioned, most of the journey should be on flowing lanes and motorway. Hoping to average 40-60mph.

Then of course there is the additional fuel cost of diesel over petrol. the diesel car will have to do 5pmg more than the petrol to make up for the extra cost from diesel.


This is why the C1 is tempting. if I can get 65mpg out of the petrol, it ends up a few hundred less than a diesel running 65mpg. BUT.... if i can get a 1.3 multijet for the right sort of money (they seem cheaper than the c1s) and the running costs are low and they are reliable? i would prefer a panda!


Lets get a few more MPG readouts! *nudges more multijet owners*
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This is why the C1 is tempting. if I can get 65mpg out of the petrol, it ends up a few hundred less than a diesel running 65mpg.
I've no personal experience of the C1, but beware of making any purchasing decisions based on official economy figures as they are neither representative of real world driving nor consistent between models. By way of example, the TA is on paper more economical than the 1.2 yet noone in a TA 500 has consistently even got within 10mpg of my 1.2 fuelly figures.

Also be aware that, over higher mileages, the 1.3 mJet will likely cost you more in servicing and there are some expensive 'gotchas' (think injectors, timing chain & DPF) that would not be unexpected once you've got 75000+ miles on the clock. The 1.2 Petrol should be good for at least 150000 miles with no more than oil, filters & a couple of cambelts.

Getting 65 mpg from a petrol Panda may just be within the bounds of possibility - my 1.2 500 has averaged 64.7mpg over the last 10 tankfuls. Lifetime fuel cost is still below 10p/mile.

The 1.2 petrol Panda, driven carefully but perhaps somewhat less obsessively by Ladykitching, has a lifetime fuel cost of 11p/mile.

I'll just add that my Panda is a 60HP Mk3 - the current model 1.2 is reported to be slightly less economical.

Are you planning to buy new or used?
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Just checked trip recorder on my Multijet. Average 70mpg over last 865 miles. Thats mostly A roads and local. Pete
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http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/ - this is a useful website for real world MPG.
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Quote Originally Posted by jrkitching View Post
Are you planning to buy new or used?
Thanks for the info.

Yes, the running costs are a big issue as within 3 years it got the chance to have had 75k added to it. I assumed diesels (lower revs, less stress?) would be better with higher mileages... but i think thats just in my head. you are right to say petrol may end up cheaper with all running costs.



To be honest.... looking at used. well, for the short terms at least as I don't have the money to drop on a new model.

This is another consideration.... you can get a 1.5 diesel clio for 800 quid... that should do 65mpg... and once you've added an additional 75,000 miles onto it, it will be worth scrap value. but as the initial cost was low, it doesn't matter much.
....or get new car, use the warranty and sell after 3 before the depreciation hits too much...

ulgh, so many variables to think of!?!! ha


Good to see a figure of 70mpg for a multijet on country lanes.
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I assumed diesels (lower revs, less stress?) would be better with higher mileages... but i think thats just in my head. you are right to say petrol may end up cheaper with all running costs.
I think it is. I ran a petrol R5 for 13yrs/219000 miles without needing to touch the engine/clutch/gearbox; it was still running perfectly when I sold it.

Decent longevity & good mpg are all down to how you use it. Keep below 60mph/2500 rpm at all times & you'll likely have no problems with either economy or reliability.

Avoid late model diesels with DPF's; they are well known for being troublesome at relatively low mileages. Many diesel engined cars also use a dual mass flywheel & that is another potential for a large unexpected bill.

Very small cars don't get the same economy benefit from a diesel as larger ones; personally I'd stick with a petrol at UK fuel prices. On the continent where the fuel is 1/3 cheaper, small diesels make more sense.

If your budget will stretch to a decent 3-5yr old 1.2 Panda, I'd say that might just give you the lowest total per-mile cost of any car you can buy.

FWIW, I tend to buy new cars and run them for at least 10 years; I budget 20p/mile for everything, all in. Both my Panda & 500 are on course to achieve that, but you might have to do your own servicing to hit that figure. Road tax at £30 & insurance for under £100 helps, too.
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What about a Kia Rio or a Smart For Two? Silly MPG. If you like the cars that is...
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