General Real world MPG help!

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General Real world MPG help!

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New house is increasing my yearly mileage somewhat... Sooo I’m after the cheapest to run car I can find!

I recently bought a 100hp and have found it to be a great little car. So I’m interested in another panda but this time the most fuel efficient type I can get!


Can anyone throw some real world MPG figures my way to help me decide??


The drive will be mostly country lanes and then a burst on the motorway (80/20), so not too much stop start or traffic. Am I aiming towards a 1.3 multijet diesel....?

Other cars I’m considering are the petrol or diesel Citroen C1, but I think the panda is coming in slightly cheaper to buy an equivalent car.

Lots of MPG values would be appreciated! :slayer:
 
In our Mk3 1.2, we average just short of 50 mpg. Mostly country lanes; a 160 mile round-trip to London every two to three weeks; and a chunk of town driving. :cool:

Hope this helps. (If there had been a diesel automatic Panda, then that would have made more sense... -- but there is no such beast; and, to be honest, the 1.2 is more than economical and powerful enough for Mrs homeward's work needs, etc..) (y)
 
My average in the HP is 44.8 MPG on a 48 mile round trip everyday for work.

Hope this helps
 
If you want the cheapest possible motoring then the 1.2 petrol Panda takes some beating.

Ladykitching avarages about 55mpg on a rural 40 mile round trip commute. Driving for economy requires discipline but several folks have seen better than 55mpg lifetime averages in the 1.2 (hello udtrev) & one chap here has broken the 60 mpg barrier with a 1.2 500 in long term driving. ;)

If your budget will stretch, it might be cheaper overall to buy new; prereg petrol Pandas can be had for £6495 if you can live without aircon. That's about as cheap as it gets.
 
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The Multijet loves country roads. Most of my driving is across the city, but I usually still get at least 60mpg. This improves with free flowing traffic and less gear changes. If your country roads flow around 50mph, the Multijet will be in its element. 70s on the motorway will use more fuel obviously than 60mph.

And I wouldn't recommend buying diesel in Sainsbury's as I don't know about anyone else, but my Panda hates it. I use Maxol mostly but Tesco is ok if stuck.
 
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Thanks for the replies!

My 100hp is doing pretty well. Usually more than 40mpg. With 50mph traffic on the motorway to Cannock Chase the other day the trip comp was showing 53.6! :)

A bit of fun on the way home and chasing a caddy (of all things....) it did about 47 on the way home. Trip up from London at 70 all the way and it did 47mpg.


I forgot to add the fact that when I say significant mileage, I mean ill be doing 25,000 a year.... :)

Mileage: 25000
mpg: 45
Litre cost: 135p
= £3400

Mileage: 25000
mpg: 65
Litre cost: 145p
= £2500

Mileage: 25000
mpg: 65
Litre cost: 135p
= £2360


When you start doing that kind of mileage 5mpg here or there really makes a difference. To be honest... im looking for a car that will do 65mpg. As mentioned, most of the journey should be on flowing lanes and motorway. Hoping to average 40-60mph.

Then of course there is the additional fuel cost of diesel over petrol. the diesel car will have to do 5pmg more than the petrol to make up for the extra cost from diesel.


This is why the C1 is tempting. if I can get 65mpg out of the petrol, it ends up a few hundred less than a diesel running 65mpg. BUT.... if i can get a 1.3 multijet for the right sort of money (they seem cheaper than the c1s) and the running costs are low and they are reliable? i would prefer a panda!


Lets get a few more MPG readouts! *nudges more multijet owners* :D
 
This is why the C1 is tempting. if I can get 65mpg out of the petrol, it ends up a few hundred less than a diesel running 65mpg.

I've no personal experience of the C1, but beware of making any purchasing decisions based on official economy figures as they are neither representative of real world driving nor consistent between models. By way of example, the TA is on paper more economical than the 1.2 yet noone in a TA 500 has consistently even got within 10mpg of my 1.2 fuelly figures.

Also be aware that, over higher mileages, the 1.3 mJet will likely cost you more in servicing and there are some expensive 'gotchas' (think injectors, timing chain & DPF) that would not be unexpected once you've got 75000+ miles on the clock. The 1.2 Petrol should be good for at least 150000 miles with no more than oil, filters & a couple of cambelts.

Getting 65 mpg from a petrol Panda may just be within the bounds of possibility - my 1.2 500 has averaged 64.7mpg over the last 10 tankfuls. Lifetime fuel cost is still below 10p/mile.

The 1.2 petrol Panda, driven carefully but perhaps somewhat less obsessively by Ladykitching, has a lifetime fuel cost of 11p/mile.

I'll just add that my Panda is a 60HP Mk3 - the current model 1.2 is reported to be slightly less economical.

Are you planning to buy new or used?
 
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Just checked trip recorder on my Multijet. Average 70mpg over last 865 miles. Thats mostly A roads and local. Pete
 
Are you planning to buy new or used?

Thanks for the info.

Yes, the running costs are a big issue as within 3 years it got the chance to have had 75k added to it. I assumed diesels (lower revs, less stress?) would be better with higher mileages... but i think thats just in my head. you are right to say petrol may end up cheaper with all running costs.



To be honest.... looking at used. well, for the short terms at least as I don't have the money to drop on a new model.

This is another consideration.... you can get a 1.5 diesel clio for 800 quid... that should do 65mpg... and once you've added an additional 75,000 miles onto it, it will be worth scrap value. but as the initial cost was low, it doesn't matter much.
....or get new car, use the warranty and sell after 3 before the depreciation hits too much...

ulgh, so many variables to think of!?!! ha


Good to see a figure of 70mpg for a multijet on country lanes. (y)
 
I assumed diesels (lower revs, less stress?) would be better with higher mileages... but i think thats just in my head. you are right to say petrol may end up cheaper with all running costs.

I think it is. I ran a petrol R5 for 13yrs/219000 miles without needing to touch the engine/clutch/gearbox; it was still running perfectly when I sold it.

Decent longevity & good mpg are all down to how you use it. Keep below 60mph/2500 rpm at all times & you'll likely have no problems with either economy or reliability.

Avoid late model diesels with DPF's; they are well known for being troublesome at relatively low mileages. Many diesel engined cars also use a dual mass flywheel & that is another potential for a large unexpected bill.

Very small cars don't get the same economy benefit from a diesel as larger ones; personally I'd stick with a petrol at UK fuel prices. On the continent where the fuel is 1/3 cheaper, small diesels make more sense.

If your budget will stretch to a decent 3-5yr old 1.2 Panda, I'd say that might just give you the lowest total per-mile cost of any car you can buy.

FWIW, I tend to buy new cars and run them for at least 10 years; I budget 20p/mile for everything, all in. Both my Panda & 500 are on course to achieve that, but you might have to do your own servicing to hit that figure. Road tax at £30 & insurance for under £100 helps, too.
 
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Hi, I have been closely montoring my Multijet's real world mpg since I have got it last September. It does a 40 mile round trip commute each day. 14 miles on mway, 6 miles on A road each way. Luckily, I avoid rush hours so there is no start stop traffic other than normal traffic light stops. In the winter months it 64mpg. Warmer months it does 67.5mpg. This is cruising with the speedo needle between 65 and 71 mph.

The above MPGs are not taken from the trip computer. They are calculated by converting the litres used when I fill up into gallons (litres used divided by 4.54). Then I divide the mileage driven by the gallons used.

The most it has done is 73mpg.

My brother also has a Multijet. He mainly uses it on 50mph A roads instead of motorways and routinely gets 2 - 3 mpg more than me!!. The most he has got out of his Mjet is 74mpg.

We find our Mjets to be good on the motorway as they are relatively torquey. He has had his Mjet from Lancashire to Croatia and back. Apparently this included a mad rush back across the continent at an indicated 80mph for 14 hours, stopping just to fill up, in order to catch the ferry!!.
 
SH4RKY

Health warning - blatant sales pitch follows.....

I am going to sell my 53reg Panda Dynamic soon as I am going to inherent my late Grandad's treasured Felicia and family politics dictate that I need to run the Skoda whilst at least Grandma is alive. I don't want Mtambo (yes like most forum members cars he has a name) to stand unused for any length of time as that kills cars, especially as I always garage my cars so the Skoda will be no different which of course means Mtambo sat outside exposed to the elements.

Mtambo has just had his second full timing belt and tensioner changed, plus water pump and anti-freeze at 100,808 (but no head gasket see my threads about whether this was necessary) and has been serviced annually at 97257, 93002, 88267 and prior to that 86783 (all at garages all stamped in the service booklet plus bills). Current miles are a whisker under 102K. There are of course invoices/bills prior to that but not sure how relevant that is now however Mtambo has had his first timing belt at 46K aswell as a new sump (they seem to rot), wishbones, drop links and a new radiator which was all before my time.

In addition to the planned maintenance, I have recently had blue print front discs and pads aswell as the rears shoes adjusted together with the handbrake tightened and had both front wishbones replaced to eliminate a clonking noise which had nothing to do with the clonking (it is the dog bone part that now needs to be replaced).

Mtambo has the usual fare of genuine Fiat alloys which are slightly curbed, plus manual central locking - more reliable than the remote, PAS, e/w, CD, you know the norm. Plus there is a set of winter tyres bought from MikenHelen (currently stored correctly too) aswell as a set of Fiat 500 rims with Bridgestone B250 tyres on (these are on the car now as the alloys had tyres on which I didn't recognise so didn't want to take any risks). I have have bought a set of genuine Fiat locking wheel nuts. The gearbox gaitor has split and whilst I have bought a new replacement part I haven't had the courage to fit it despite the forum threads. The driver's window also makes a slight scrapping noise as it dissappears into the door (could this be cured with WD40 anyone?), currently in the hot weather I just stop the window before it goes all the way down and if needed open the passenger side window too for extra ventilation.

Mtambo is bright banana yellow and a bright blue trim to match (er if blue and yellow ever match) and he is still is very smart and bonny. He has a few stone chips and scratches some which were on when I bought him, some which regretably I have added to, but that still doesn't stop him being 100% reliable and hugely fun to drive (does anyone remember the late great James Hunt who admitted driving his Austin A30 van on the limit was more fun that driving a F1 car). Tax and tested too till Dec 13. Like all forum cars he is loved and cherished, why would you be a forum member if that weren't the case and if my Grandad's Skoda hadn't clouded the water I wouldn't be selling (Edit no 2 - that sentance sounds ungrateful and calous which of course it isn't meant to be - if it weren't for my Grandad I would be a petrol head at all)

I'm after £1000 for him which includes with all the spare tyres, the gearbox gaitor, a spare alternator, spare wishbones. I will need one week or possibly two to change my personal plate with DVLA onto the Skoda which I haven't got yet but should do very soon. You can also have the 100HP springs and shockers that I was going to fit to him to make sleeker which I have just bought from Mike n Helen too.

I of course have 2 keys both of which gets used so no worn key syndrome, the V5C in my name at my address, Mtambo is HPI clear as I wouldn't buy a car which has been crashed as my car is used to ferry me and my son around (hence my user name). Let me know if you would like pictures. I get 43mpg in town and 54mpg on dual carriageways doing 60mph (at my age I am more interested in 60mpg rather than 80mph)

BLATANT SALE PITCH OVER

Have you also seen the diesel Panda up for sale for £1600 on the forum too, that too would be a good buy me thinks, but please whatever you do don't buy a Clio dci as that does carry a serious health warning, they lunch their engines, turbo's injectors, everthing electrical goes wrong like the PAS doesn't work whilst your driving, the windows work when you locked the car and are shopping leaving the car open to all sorts of unsavoury folk, I know I had one for 18 months and 37K (approx the mileage you are thinking of doing) and it was painful and a touch frightening even as a bloke not knowing if the car could be relied upon. HTH

Neil
 
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Hi, I have been closely montoring my Multijet's real world mpg since I have got it last September. It does a 40 mile round trip commute each day. 14 miles on mway, 6 miles on A road each way. Luckily, I avoid rush hours so there is no start stop traffic other than normal traffic light stops. In the winter months it 64mpg. Warmer months it does 67.5mpg. This is cruising with the speedo needle between 65 and 71 mph.

My brother also has a Multijet. He mainly uses it on 50mph A roads instead of motorways and routinely gets 2 - 3 mpg more than me!!. The most he has got out of his Mjet is 74mpg.

Thanks for the info, nice to see real world 65+mpg figures. Have you run into any expensive service items yet?
 
If you want the cheapest possible motoring then the 1.2 petrol Panda takes some beating.

Ladykitching avarages about 55mpg on a rural 40 mile round trip commute. Driving for economy requires discipline but several folks have seen better than 55mpg lifetime averages in the 1.2 (hello udtrev) & one chap here has broken the 60 mpg barrier with a 1.2 500 in long term driving. ;)

If your budget will stretch, it might be cheaper overall to buy new; prereg petrol Pandas can be had for £6495 if you can live without aircon. That's about as cheap as it gets.



Thanks for the info.

I’ll definitely add the 1.2 panda to my considerations list! with cheaper running and petrol costs, the lower MPG may balance out.

Do you take depreciation into your 20p per mile cost? If so, why buy new? Why not buy a year or two old car and save a chunk on depreciation?

I dont think i could ever stomach buying new and lose money by driving it off the forecourt. Although at 6500 i guess the hit would be much smaller :)
Your 10yr life expectancy helps too there, im currently thinking ill be swapping my 'work commute' car every 2-3 years.


Also, I wish my insurance was 100£!! New postcode is great, but its still going to be 250+ I think.
 
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