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Old 27-11-2010   #16
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

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The other thing I noticed on my Panda 4x4 petrol is that the dashboard mpg figures were about 10% higher than the 'actual' consumption measured by noting miles travelled and amount of fuel put in the tank...
Mine is exactly the same. On average, the actual consumption is about 5mpg less that the dashboard mpg figures.

The 50.9mpg I quoted is based on the actual fuel consumed, not the dashboard figures.
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

If I read it right, the original question related to the fuel consumption of a 1.2 4x4 version. This will be different to the 2WD 1.2s, 100HPs and diesels... the 4x4 1.2 uses a lot more petrol.

My 4x4 at this (cold) time of year shows a dashboard average (over past 1000 or so miles) of 38.7 mpg, which equates to 7.3 litre/100km. Over the warmer months the average (again, on the computer) rises to a little over 40mpg (7 litre/100km), and has on the odd light-footed long run shown 45mpg (6.3 litre/100km). The actual values are I suspect, close the computer - currently seeing about 250 miles per tank (which holds 30 litres on the 4x4, so that's about 37 mpg, or 7.6 litre/100km), with a mix of flat out motorway (pedal to metal on A1 hills in Hertfordshire gives 70mph, just!), country lanes and in-town traffic.

It seems that Batfalcon is getting worse fuel economy than this (8.7 l/100km is only 32 miles per gallon), and to answer the original question, yes, I think your 4x4 is being too thirsty. Check the rear brake calipers.
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

Meant to add:
convert mpg to litres per 100km (or the other way round) here:
http://mpg.webix.co.uk/
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

Quote Originally Posted by Herts Hillhopper View Post
Meant to add:
convert mpg to litres per 100km (or the other way round) here:
http://mpg.webix.co.uk/
Or Google for "50 miles per imperial gallon in litres per 100 kilometres"
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

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It seems that Batfalcon is getting worse fuel economy than this (8.7 l/100km is only 32 miles per gallon), and to answer the original question, yes, I think your 4x4 is being too thirsty. Check the rear brake calipers.
It's getting trickier...
Asking at the near authorized service center, I was told that "Your consumption is ok, don't try to find something better... All the 4X4s have a similar MPG"
Strangely, you claim a lot lower than mine, which drives me to the clue that:
1. Either you have a lot better roads and much more free way on your routes, or
2. We have a lot worse fuel in Greece.
Can't find any other reason why this differences occur.
Also bear in mind that my measurements are NOT what the computer says. They are made the old fashion way. Fill her up, travel and fill her up again at the same gas station. At the same time the computer says a little lower consumption 8,4 l/ 100 km (35 mpg).

BTW, what are the rear brake calipers????
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

Well, I was going to suggest differences in fuel quality but I have no idea what those might be. As for your fuel consumption I can't really offer advice as I have a 100HP so a very different car and I do hardly any city driving.

Only suggestions I can make are:
>Engine may be clogged up if previous owner only ever used the cheapest fuel available - stick to branded fuels from the main suppliers;
>Do a regular long distance run if you otherwise use it for short journeys;
>Try a few tanks of super unleaded and see if it improves;
>Use all the rev range at least once a journey if engine is fully warmed up;
>Take it out specifically to thrash the nuts off it on the open road - aka the 'Italian tune up' - does wonders for the Type R that after a week with my wife driving it.
>Keep it clean - all my cars seem to run better when they are shiny .

Good luck
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

Thanks for the suggestions
I usually drive within the city limits, (average speed at the computer is 32 km/h). So far I haven't driven a big trip, but I am planning to do one at the beginning of 2012, (more or less 1000 km), so I will come up with a better conclusion.
The car revs up to full RPM without hesitation, even with the 5th gear, (that is up to 5.000 RPM).
I will try the "Italian tune up" soon in the open high way, since most of the 35.000 km are made in the city.

Can you tell me what are the rear brake calipers????
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

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Can you tell me what are the rear brake calipers????
I think Herts Hillhopper was suggesting that your rear brakes might be binding = Brake shoes rubbing against the brake drum and therefore causing friction, slowing the car down and affecting your MPG.

Calipers are the little pistons that push your brake shoes against the brake drums and cause you to stop.
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

are discs liable to bind as well? Doesn't the 4x4 have those at the rear...:?)
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

Yes 4X4 has disks at the rear. Checked mine yesterday, they do not bind at all.
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

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are discs liable to bind as well? Doesn't the 4x4 have those at the rear...:?)
Yes, 4x4 has rear discs and I think these are even more liable to bind/stick than drums. Easiest way to do a quick check is to feel the temperature of the rear wheels after a good run - if one is sticking it will be warmer than the other. If it's sticking badly it will get very hot.
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Re: Is your Panda too thirsty?

Well, I traveled around 1200 km the other day and finally the consumption was 7,3 l per 100 km traveling in open roads, which is very much near my expectations!
Speeds around 120 km/h on the highway. I also have a video of this excursion, but I am not sure if I am allowed to put the link right here.
The subtitles are in Greek, but you will get a picture of the marvelous landscape by the way.

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