General 1.1 full race cams whats the point?

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General 1.1 full race cams whats the point?

Well the 1.1 engine in the Active was used in the Cinq and Sei sporting. They were much smaller and lighter cars and pretty nippy. The German tuner Novitec also made a special edition of the Sei sporting with a turbo that pumped out about 100 horses. There are a few Cinq and Sei sportings out there with aftermarket turbo conversions. So in other words the 1.1 could be tuned and was tuned really well with these cars.

However the Panda is much heavier than those little cars and so the 1.1 is seen now as an eco and not a sport option. Oh and before you ask, no, I dont know if you could transplant a Cinq or Sei turbo engine into the Panda.
 
If you have to ask then you don't need it. Why not get yourself some nice Abath badges, they'd be highly visible so everyone could see you had them ;)

Now, don't be mean. Sam is an enthusiastic youngster who's on a mission to buy something for his car :p

Tuning a 1.1 is relatively pointless - just save money until the time is right to buy a car car that's quicker to start with.
 
Now, don't be mean. Sam is an enthusiastic youngster who's on a mission to buy something for his car :p

Tuning a 1.1 is relatively pointless - just save money until the time is right to buy a car car that's quicker to start with.

Tuning the 1.1 in the Panda Active is pointless but not in the Cinq or Sei sporting. ;)
 
Now, don't be mean. Sam is an enthusiastic youngster who's on a mission to buy something for his car :p
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Oh it wasn't meant that way, well not really. I well remember when a roll of black and silver, chequered sticky tape was all a boy needed to make his car go faster. I rapidly progressed to skimmed heads, flat top pistons and stage 1 cams etc, but these cars just aren't as "user friendly" nowadays and, as you rightly say, a faster car in stock is a much better option. I must admit to not appreciating bolt on bling whereas the real deal with tints, under car lighting, flame exhausts and so on is true custom and another matter altogether. But on an Active? Oi veh. Already.
 
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Not just on an Active but on an Active Eco. The clue really is in the title.

I was in an owners group with my previous car as well. There was a guy who lived near me who was also in that group. We met up on a few occasions and his car had every bit of tat on it going. I am sure he had driven his car through the shop window of the local Halfords Ripspeed department and everything had stuck onto his car. There was blue fairy lights under the car, under the arches, in the boot, under the bonnet and inside. Every window was tinted with DIY film even the front window. And in a stroke of genius/madness (and trust me im not making this up I swear) he had cable tied one of those little fire extinguishers to the FRONT of his bumper. Maybe he was convinced that in the event of a frontal crash the extinguisher would set off preventing any fires from starting.:rolleyes:
 
Not just on an Active but on an Active Eco. The clue really is in the title.

I was in an owners group with my previous car as well. There was a guy who lived near me who was also in that group. We met up on a few occasions and his car had every bit of tat on it going. I am sure he had driven his car through the shop window of the local Halfords Ripspeed department and everything had stuck onto his car. There was blue fairy lights under the car, under the arches, in the boot, under the bonnet and inside. Every window was tinted with DIY film even the front window. And in a stroke of genius/madness (and trust me im not making this up I swear) he had cable tied one of those little fire extinguishers to the FRONT of his bumper. Maybe he was convinced that in the event of a frontal crash the extinguisher would set off preventing any fires from starting.:rolleyes:

hahahahahaha that made laught. did the police not stop him?

Ming
 
hahahahahaha that made laught. did the police not stop him?

Ming

As far as I know he never ever got pulled over. Its obviously very dangerous having it sat on the outside because it could fly off. I should imagine he took it off for the MOT though. It was like a mobile amusement arcade on wheels, all lit up and flashing.:rolleyes:
 
Just a thought and not meant as a real dig at anyone ...

but......

Why if someone buys a tiny little car and thrashes it through the gears to get some speed out of it, or gets perfect apex points through the bends to get the best lap times, they are consider as "normal" (semi normal at least) and its good thing... yet a soon as anyone mentions putting a new air filter, tuning the ECU, adding a bigger exhaust etc they are consider nutcases and told to buy a bigger car ?

:p
 
I have the same K&N also and love it, I could have found it a little cheaper on ebay, but I wanted a valid warranty so I got it at here. K&N 57-3036, or you can try one of the vendors on the forum here, you can usually find a good deal that way as well. This was very easy to install and I love it.
 
Just a thought and not meant as a real dig at anyone ...

but......

Why if someone buys a tiny little car and thrashes it through the gears to get some speed out of it, or gets perfect apex points through the bends to get the best lap times, they are consider as "normal" (semi normal at least) and its good thing... yet a soon as anyone mentions putting a new air filter, tuning the ECU, adding a bigger exhaust etc they are consider nutcases and told to buy a bigger car ?

:p

The point is there is a difference between talking about driving techniques and tuning or modifying your car. Modifying though fun really is a mugs game (Been there and done that 4 times). So the mantra is, really that if your car does not do what you want it to do then buy a car that does because the trouble is as soon as you start making a car go faster, you then need to uprate the brakes and then uprate the suspension and so it goes on.

Also you never get the money back on modded cars so it makes far more sense to buy a car with the attributes you want in the first place. For example I had an MJ new and I thought about chipping it because the performance was just not very good really. But then it would still be all roly poly on the corners, so I cut my losses and bought a 100hp which was quicker everywhere, had better suspension for handling and also better brakes etc.
 
...yet a soon as anyone mentions putting a new air filter, tuning the ECU, adding a bigger exhaust etc they are consider nutcases and told to buy a bigger car ?

I'm just going to echo Lauren's opinion, so I'll keep it short...

I am happy for anyone to modify their car; to either increase its performance or it's appearance. My preference is for the former, but I can equally appreciate a pure show car. My post about pandasam wanting to put something on his car is simply the tongue-in-cheek result of his [several] threads asking about adding x and y to his Panda.

We are all enthusiasts in the end and like football fans, if we all agreed on everything, there would be a lot less things to discuss/argue about :)
 
The point is there is a difference between talking about driving techniques and tuning or modifying your car. Modifying though fun really is a mugs game (Been there and done that 4 times). So the mantra is, really that if your car does not do what you want it to do then buy a car that does because the trouble is as soon as you start making a car go faster, you then need to uprate the brakes and then uprate the suspension and so it goes on.

Also you never get the money back on modded cars so it makes far more sense to buy a car with the attributes you want in the first place. For example I had an MJ new and I thought about chipping it because the performance was just not very good really. But then it would still be all roly poly on the corners, so I cut my losses and bought a 100hp which was quicker everywhere, had better suspension for handling and also better brakes etc.

I appreciate your thoughts and can see your point...

but....

its only the same thing from a different angle...

Why learn to hit perfect apex's, control slides, pick the best line etc so you can get a laptime of 2'22 when you could just buy a bigger faster car and do it with sloppy driving in 2' flat ....

People like to mod cars to see if they can do it, to see what their skills can achieve. From the racing point of view, you would be happy to knock off 2 seconds a lap by horning your skills, where someone else would be happy to get a 2 second improvement by tweeking the car..... could I get a few more hp by reworking the airtake into to a ram induction setup?, adding bigger exhaust, changing the fuel pump, making it dry sump etc... its not about adding value to the car or trying to make a ferrari from a fiat, its about challanging yourself and stretching your skills... (well that would be why I would be doing it, if I was doing it...)

Steve
 
Well the mods I was pointing out are cosmetic mods not performance mods. Some of the cosmetic mods out there are just ghastly and I cant believe people would buy them. Such as fake bonnet vents, headlight covers to make them look like twins and even a dump valve sound generator. The one thing that drives me totally up the wall is faking a car or replicas. I really cant understand why somebody would put a "TURBO" badge on the back of their car when its NA for example.

The start of this post was ribbing pandasm about modifying his Active. We are (well I am) only messing and its his car and he can do what he wants with it. Personally I think the point behind the Active is that its an eco car. If you try to sportify it then you have lost the point of the car. Even I made a post inquring about alloys for my Active Eco. However I realised that those skinny wheels are there for a reason. Adding alloys might make it look better but it will have lost its pure Eco ethic. There is something very attractive about having a no frills car that is pure function.

I would also say that you really shouldnt be trying to get any better performance out a 1.1. I could however understand modifying (as I would) the performance of a 100hp as thats a sports model.
 
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Personally I think the point behind the Active is that its an eco car. If you try to sportify it then you have lost the point of the car.
Nah, the Active is a cheap car. Fiat did the bare minimum required to get the co2 into UK band 'C' by one gramme to keep up with the likes of the Toyota Aygo et al.

Look how different and much more conventional the Panda is compared to the Eco Basic concept car to which it has a vague resemblance.
 
Nah, the Active is a cheap car. Fiat did the bare minimum required to get the co2 into UK band 'C' by one gramme to keep up with the likes of the Toyota Aygo et al.

Look how different and much more conventional the Panda is compared to the Eco Basic concept car to which it has a vague resemblance.

I disagree, I mean the entire Panda range can be labelled as cheap really. The Active is a basic cheap car, the multijet is a cheap diesel, the 4x4 is a cheap off roader and the 100hp is a cheap hot hatch. However I dislike the word cheap it is usually followed by nasty. Being cheap is usually not a good thing but in the Panda it is.

Although I dont really care what people think your car can give certain messages. The original Panda was never really seen as a cheap car. In other words it wasnt a car you just bought because you couldnt afford a better car. In that way it was like the original Mini, it was cheap but you bought it because it was cool. I will admit that I bought my Active because of the scrappage offer and I couldnt afford a 100hp at that time. However I am sure a lot of people bought the Active even though they could afford a much better car. I think the Active is closer to the original ideal of the original Panda. A very cheap car bought by people who may have money but dont care about trinkets and are more interested in good value for money.

You also say the Active isnt an eco car but its eco enough for me at £35 a year tax.;)
 
You also say the Active isnt an eco car but its eco enough for me at £35 a year tax.;)
£30 now :)
But that's the thing. The Panda isn't as efficient as they could make it. It's just efficient enough to get into that tax band.
 
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