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General 100hp and Snow

Just go steal some grit from the road side buckets and treat it yourself :D.

And yes my Punto 1.4 16v same engine etc is crap in the snow. The ASR is so crap its best to turn it off and use your right foot and steering wheel instead. Goddamn Toyo Proxies lol, Great in the wet and dry but not so good on snow and ice.
 
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Stu DemonD said:
But you said driving on snow wasn't hard - it was getting up an icy close that was hard. Talk about taking things out of context, you don't even own a 100HP (y)
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snow isn't hard to drive on. but ice is different, its hard to find grip on ice. 2 completely different surfaces to drive on.

i've not taken anything out of context. i don't need to own a 100HP, it's no different to driving any other small fwd car, which is what i said before. what's the big deal on here about the 100HP over the other panda's (and punto's?) anyway??
 
like pete says, its no different to any other FWD hatch with a small engine. The tyres will be the biggest difference - maybe its just that F1s are worse in the snow than most other tyres, or maybe its just that your drive was slippier than most places :confused:
 
Punto_Pete said:
i've not taken anything out of context. i don't need to own a 100HP, it's no different to driving any other small fwd car, which is what i said before. what's the big deal on here about the 100HP over the other panda's (and punto's?) anyway??
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I have both the Multijet and the 100HP Panda & funnily enough there is a big difference between the two, probably down to the tyres, weight and gearing differences. The 100HP in the snow and ice I would say was worse than my old Punto GT from thinking back to it in the snow and ice, not sure why though.:confused: However in contrast the M-jet is really surprisingly good even with summer tyres. That’s my opinion anyway.:)
 
I've enjoyed pootling about in my 1.2 in the snow...I think there comes a point where the conditions will defeat anything not equipped with snow chains and a plough though :)

I have been parking on the driveway of an empty house when visiting my parents place due to all the trainee 'stig blomqvists' handbraking it on the snowy street (a small, tempting crescent)...don't want them doing a slider into my new wheels thanks! :)
 
Though i've been driving in snow the week preceeeding xmas, yesterday there was a substantial snow fall in Leek and I had to drive back to Manchester. The main roads between Leek and Macclesfield were well covered with snow ploughs in abundance and there was no gritting as such on the main road.

I noticed a number of cars were stuck, one was an E46 M3, the guy was waiting for a tow. Then there were all the other cars just driving too bloody slowly, going along at 15mph.

I got behind a disco and found I could make pretty good progress in the 100hp. Was going along okay at 40mph on a straight totally covered A road. I followed the disco and we even overtook some duffer who couldn't cope with more than 20mph.

I found the 100hp was fine, sure at 40mph on snow it was moving around a bit but I could minimise this with steering input. So all in all it did fine really.

I wouldn't mind driving in snow if it wasn't for all the other idiots that seem to think 10mph is the maximum speed they can drive at.
 
trackdayqueen said:
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I noticed a number of cars were stuck, one was an E46 M3, the guy was waiting for a tow. Then there were all the other cars just driving too bloody slowly, going along at 15mph.

I got behind a disco and found I could make pretty good progress in the 100hp. Was going along okay at 40mph on a straight totally covered A road. I followed the disco and we even overtook some duffer who couldn't cope with more than 20mph.

I found the 100hp was fine, sure at 40mph on snow it was moving around a bit but I could minimise this with steering input. So all in all it did fine really.

I wouldn't mind driving in snow if it wasn't for all the other idiots that seem to think 10mph is the maximum speed they can drive at.
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says a lot.. 4x4 driver and you wanting to do 40mph on a totally covered road... anyone can drive fast... no one, no matter what they think, what sort of driver they are can stop in an emergency....
I to have driven at speeds overtaking things that I considered to be holding me up... however it only takes one experience to make you realise how dangerous you really are ! I was driving on semi compacted snow in a large van, entering a housing estate and travelling at as slow as I could physically go (probably 1 or 2 mph) everything seemed ok, sensibly driving along, taking long smooth turns, no jerking, no harsh acceleration or braking... having gone along a few short roads and bends nothing seemed out of place until I was suddenly speeding up as the wheels slid, no amout of steering, power, braking, handbrake.. you name it I tried it... could stop me.. the van was now doing about 10-15mph sideways heading towards a house... I was just a passenger in the situation no longer able to do anything to change what was going on.... fortunately the pavement stopped me before any damaged was done... It did make me think long and hard about driving.. suppose a child had been playing in the snow... suppose an old lady had been crossing the road (I was driving very slowly and what appeared to be well within any safe limits).. suddenly my whole life could have changed... could have been watching someone go under the van.. could have been court cases, jail or anything.... if the road had been up in the hills it could have been me going off the side of a long drop....

if you are on a racing track that is clear of houses, dogs, children playing, other road users etc then controlled slides, stepping out the back end, understeer, powering on and off etc or ok as if it does let go you are more than likely just going in the rough.. if you hit another car it will be more ready for you and should have extra safety features in place...
The open public roadway isn't a place to be playing with other peoples safety... you'll probably find the majority of accidents are from people who consider themselves good drivers who know what they are doing, indeed many of them are probably actually very good drivers, but it only takes one thing like a bit of black ice, a pot hole , a hidden lump under the snow, another car to lose control, a blow out, a mechincal failure of some kind... and if you are lucky it will just be a case of needing a tow home... if not you could be off the side of an enbankment or looking at jail for killing someone...

driving in snow and ice is not about how fast you can go, its about being able to stop in all eventualities in the distance you've got... !

Yesterday the snow came down in flakes about 2 inch across and covered the ungritted roads in the space of minutes... cars were slipping and sliding all over, getting stuck and having to abandonship... I was working and was looking at going down a little incline on a country road.. I gingerly went down nice and slow and after about 50 yards decided to stop and go back. I stopped and put the handbrake on while a car was trying to get up the other way... and then my van moved forward, only about an inch.. but moved from stationary without anything touching it !... I could however have driven down that lane at 10, 20, 30 or more mph and probably got to the bottom doing a lot of corrective steering.. but if someones small child had run out to play in the snow, there is no way I could have stopped !

Steve
 
It amazes me that so few of you have even considered putting winter tyres on your Pandas. They're not just for snow, they're for cold weather in general.

Sure, there are specialised snow tyres and studded tyres etc., but any ordinary "winter tyre" will be able to handle cold and/or slippery conditions beautifully.

Trying to drive around in winter (and even on snow and ice!) on summer tyres like the Eagle F1s fitted to the 100hp OEM or Toyo Proxes etc. is a recipe for disaster. You're constantly on the very edge of handling leaving no room for evasive action.

Even on the skinny so-called "all-season" EcoContacts on my MJ, slippery winter driving is a careful exercise in smoothness, cluth control and very careful application of the brakes, even when it's "just" rain on the road.

As soon as the ecos have worn down, I'm putting a set of good winter tyres on the steel wheels and buying a set of nice alloys with some nice rubber for the rest of the year. It's not like the tyres are going to wear when not in use anyway, so it'll only really cost you the initial outlay for the alloys. Getting in an accident because you're a fool who thinks summer tyres are good even in cold weather really is the height of stupidity.

Go take and advanced driving class where they teach you driving in adverse conditions and let you try different tyres. You will be amazed at the difference, I certainly was.
 
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AskCy said:
says a lot.. 4x4 driver and you wanting to do 40mph on a totally covered road... anyone can drive fast... no one, no matter what they think, what sort of driver they are can stop in an emergency....
I to have driven at speeds overtaking things that I considered to be holding me up... however it only takes one experience to make you realise how dangerous you really are ! I was driving on semi compacted snow in a large van, entering a housing estate and travelling at as slow as I could physically go (probably 1 or 2 mph) everything seemed ok, sensibly driving along, taking long smooth turns, no jerking, no harsh acceleration or braking... having gone along a few short roads and bends nothing seemed out of place until I was suddenly speeding up as the wheels slid, no amout of steering, power, braking, handbrake.. you name it I tried it... could stop me.. the van was now doing about 10-15mph sideways heading towards a house... I was just a passenger in the situation no longer able to do anything to change what was going on.... fortunately the pavement stopped me before any damaged was done... It did make me think long and hard about driving.. suppose a child had been playing in the snow... suppose an old lady had been crossing the road (I was driving very slowly and what appeared to be well within any safe limits).. suddenly my whole life could have changed... could have been watching someone go under the van.. could have been court cases, jail or anything.... if the road had been up in the hills it could have been me going off the side of a long drop....

if you are on a racing track that is clear of houses, dogs, children playing, other road users etc then controlled slides, stepping out the back end, understeer, powering on and off etc or ok as if it does let go you are more than likely just going in the rough.. if you hit another car it will be more ready for you and should have extra safety features in place...
The open public roadway isn't a place to be playing with other peoples safety... you'll probably find the majority of accidents are from people who consider themselves good drivers who know what they are doing, indeed many of them are probably actually very good drivers, but it only takes one thing like a bit of black ice, a pot hole , a hidden lump under the snow, another car to lose control, a blow out, a mechincal failure of some kind... and if you are lucky it will just be a case of needing a tow home... if not you could be off the side of an enbankment or looking at jail for killing someone...

driving in snow and ice is not about how fast you can go, its about being able to stop in all eventualities in the distance you've got... !

Yesterday the snow came down in flakes about 2 inch across and covered the ungritted roads in the space of minutes... cars were slipping and sliding all over, getting stuck and having to abandonship... I was working and was looking at going down a little incline on a country road.. I gingerly went down nice and slow and after about 50 yards decided to stop and go back. I stopped and put the handbrake on while a car was trying to get up the other way... and then my van moved forward, only about an inch.. but moved from stationary without anything touching it !... I could however have driven down that lane at 10, 20, 30 or more mph and probably got to the bottom doing a lot of corrective steering.. but if someones small child had run out to play in the snow, there is no way I could have stopped !

Steve
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Cheers for the lecture. (y)

It was a rural national speed limit road which was wide and straight and well sighted. No kids, no houses etcetera.

I didn't think I was playing with anyones safety, I was simply trying to make progress and I didn't appreciate being held up by duffers crawling along at 15-20mph.

I was travelling at half the speed I normally would on that road wet or dry.
 
KozmoNaut said:
It amazes me that so few of you have even considered putting winter tyres on your Pandas. They're not just for snow, they're for cold weather in general.

Sure, there are specialised snow tyres and studded tyres etc., but any ordinary "winter tyre" will be able to handle cold and/or slippery conditions beautifully.

Trying to drive around in winter (and even on snow and ice!) on summer tyres like the Eagle F1s fitted to the 100hp OEM or Toyo Proxes etc. is a recipe for disaster. You're constantly on the very edge of handling leaving no room for evasive action.

Even on the skinny so-called "all-season" EcoContacts on my MJ, slippery winter driving is a careful exercise in smoothness, cluth control and very careful application of the brakes, even when it's "just" rain on the road.

As soon as the ecos have worn down, I'm putting a set of good winter tyres on the steel wheels and buying a set of nice alloys with some nice rubber for the rest of the year. It's not like the tyres are going to wear when not in use anyway, so it'll only really cost you the initial outlay for the alloys. Getting in an accident because you're a fool who thinks summer tyres are good even in cold weather really is the height of stupidity.

Go take and advanced driving class where they teach you driving in adverse conditions and let you try different tyres. You will be amazed at the difference, I certainly was.
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I could get winter tyres, though I don't think it's worth it for a few months of the year. We hardly ever get snow in manchester and I actually enjoy driving in the cold and wet when there is less grip as in many ways it's more fun. I don't have a problem with reduced grip, I just deal with it really.
 
trackdayqueen said:
Cheers for the lecture. (y)

It was a rural national speed limit road.....

I didn't think I was playing with anyones safety,.....

I was travelling at half the speed I normally would on that road wet or dry.
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So the national speed limit on a single track road is ??.. 60mph in a car, or 50mph in a van !... you were doing 40mph in the snow.. which is only half the speed you normally do (80mph) and only 10mph less than the speed limit for a van in good conditions !... obviously no lecture needed...

ALL vehicle accidents are a result of excessive speed ! NO one goes out to have an accident and no one thinks their driving will contribute to them having one.. however thousands of people have them each year..

The amount of people I see who go speeding along and don't have an accident is many... however occasionally one of them (no matter how good a driver they are, even fully trained proffesional race/ rally / police drivers have crashes even on specially prepared tracks and circuits) end up involved in an accident... this is when it makes a difference between a near miss, a little bump or a life changing accident...

Nice quiet country lanes with long straights are great and one of my brothers mates was bringing his brand new car back from the showroom, on ly doing 30-40mph as it was brand new, he wasn't used to it and it needed a little bit of running in... however from behind the hedgerow over the wall jumped a stag right onto the car and wrote it off.... he was shocked but unhurt... suppose he was doing 60,70,80mph... might not have been so lucky....

Don't get me wrong, I've never been in a car with you and you are probably a very skilled and accomplished driver on the track, probably got a lot of road skill, looking well ahead etc... but you can never fully take everything into account and if you get caught out (animal jumping a wall where you wouldn't expect anything to be merging with the road, a tree falling under the weight of snow, a car sliding through a junction unable to stop on the ice and unseen by walls or hedges, tire blowing out, another car coming in the opposite direction driving in the same manner as you and just over cooking the bend etc etc) its better that you are doing 20mph rather than 40 or above...
 
AskCy said:
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ALL vehicle accidents are a result of excessive speed ! NO one goes out to have an accident and no one thinks their driving will contribute to them having one.. however thousands of people have them each year..

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Semantically that may be true - if all cars were stationary they couldn't make contact with another object - and if they were all doing 10mph few of the accidents would be serious - though I'm sure that massive bunching, sheer boredom and loss of attention would mean that there were numerous contacts - but in real situations on the road it's simply incorrect. Avoiding accidents is to do with reacting to an evolving situation and I suspect that many of us could cite examples where accelerating has avoided an accident, which would otherwise have been caused or worsened by insufficient speed, and on any journey of more than a few miles there are times when accelerating past an evolving difficulty prevents a potential accident from developing further. Confident, attentive and skilled driving is the safest way to drive and will result in moving at the safest speed for the conditions - not the lowest speed.
 
Schwenck said:
At the end of a 4.5 hour commute tonight, there was quite a gathering of abandoned cars on the A30, about two dozen I reckon. At a particulalry slush-over-ice but ever so slight incline there was a little telling collection of an MX-5, RX-8, XKR, 3-Series, Toyota Hiace... Anything is better than that!
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Any guesses as to the one thing those cars all share?
 
babbo umbro said:
Semantically that may be true - if all cars were stationary they couldn't make contact with another object - and if they were all doing 10mph few of the accidents would be serious - though I'm sure that massive bunching, sheer boredom and loss of attention would mean that there were numerous contacts - but in real situations on the road it's simply incorrect. Avoiding accidents is to do with reacting to an evolving situation and I suspect that many of us could cite examples where accelerating has avoided an accident, which would otherwise have been caused or worsened by insufficient speed, and on any journey of more than a few miles there are times when accelerating past an evolving difficulty prevents a potential accident from developing further. Confident, attentive and skilled driving is the safest way to drive and will result in moving at the safest speed for the conditions - not the lowest speed.
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Couldn't agree more. Probably one of the most intelligent posts I've seen on this forum ever.
 
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