General Thoughts after 1000 miles

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General Thoughts after 1000 miles

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I've almost done 1000 miles in my 100HP and thought I would tell you what I think. Back in February, I gave you my thoughts about my test drive (https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-new/180834-my-thoughts-about-100hp.html), but strangely enough, I actually disagree with a lot of what I wrote.

Hard ride
This felt a lot worse on the test drive. Maybe I was imagining it or maybe it was the roads, but I'm generally quite happy with how hard the ride is. Some surfaces though (particularly the high grip surfaces with worn patches) are VERY bad! The hard ride does make things a bit bouncy on bad roads though ie. most of the rural roads around here. I think a softer ride would actually allow more progress because you loose a lot of grip when it's bouncing. On the bouncy roads you really do need both hands on the wheel because the steering goes really light, and then grabs really hard when it bounces.

Performance
In 'normal' mode it's rubbish, which is probably partly why I thought it was slow on the test drive. In 'sport' mode the it feels a bit slow at low revs, but very good at higher revs (enough to lose grip). I think it would be better to have more torque lower down, but I wouldn't mind loosing a bit a higher revs.

I find that, at low revs, when I give it some gas it doesn't do much. So I give it more gas, but then it suddenly comes alive and it can lose grip. I don't know whether it's the way the torque curve is, or whether there is a bit of lag when I press the pedal (or maybe a bit of both). Pulling away tends to be a bit slow for me because I always like to be gentle with the clutch. I think you need to abuse the clutch to pull away at a decent speed. My Seicento seemed to have most of the power low down, which meant you could always make good use of it.

Noise
I disagree with what I said in my last thread. It sounds great!

Steering
As I mentioned above, it can be quite grabby on bumpy roads. It does seem to do things that I wouldn't expect though. If I accelerate hard on a smooth surface then the steering becomes very heavy. Surely, it should become very light? In my Seicento, hard acceleration would always make the steering go light (front end lifts up = less weight on the front wheels). Is the weighty steering wheel artificial?

The turning circle is a lot bigger than my Seicento, but after a few failed three point turns, I'm starting to remember :ROFLMAO:

Stereo
I think the stereo is a bit poor for a car than comes with so many other luxuries (climate control etc.). Two speakers is ok, but I think they should have been a slightly better quality. I think the standard stereo and speakers in my Seicento SX was better.

Why do they put the buttons at the bottom of the steering wheel? Who drives with their hands at the bottom of the wheel? It seems a bit strange when everybody is taught to drive with their hands at either quarter to three or ten to two.

Petrol filler cap
Why do they tie them to the car? It's a pain! I replaced my one with a lockable one and the first thing I did was cut the rubber cable thing :)

Faults
I've got a problem with my 2nd and 3rd gears at the moment (waiting to be looked at), but I think everything else seems to be ok. The fuse and relay cover (under the bonnet) was also lose when I first got it, I just clipped it in place, but I'm glad it didn't fall off when I was driving it.
 
Glad you're enjoying it (y)

Pulling away tends to be a bit slow for me because I always like to be gentle with the clutch. I think you need to abuse the clutch to pull away at a decent speed.

Not sure I agree with that - I can get away from most things at the lights while still being mechanically sympathetic imho :D

Chris
 
Petrol filler cap
Why do they tie them to the car? It's a pain! I replaced my one with a lockable one and the first thing I did was cut the rubber cable thing :)
You're supposed to hook it on the hook on the filler flap to keep it away from the body work (bit late now!) Also stops you forgetting to put it back on if say you put it on the roof.
 
Glad you're liking it.

Lack of torque - I would say the engine is plenty torquey. You can hold a much higher gear and still accelerate up hill (I live in a hilly town). However, it does not have a turbo so you won't get a mega boost at 2,000rpm.

Steering feel - well it is an electric system so will feel more artificial than an older car with rods and levers connecting wheels to rack to steering wheel. I find there is a reasonable amount of feedback, enough for me at least.

Performance - you will find the engine has more loosening up to do. Mine is now on 7,700 miles and feels much fruiter than it did with 1,000 miles (I know, should be more - I do have other cars to drive!).

Suspension - I still find it too hard, but I have to drive several really bumpy roads to get anywhere from my house, plus I have to negotiate the biggest speed mountains this side of Dubai.
 
Steering feel - well it is an electric system so will feel more artificial than an older car with rods and levers connecting wheels to rack to steering wheel. I find there is a reasonable amount of feedback, enough for me at least.

It's just an electric motor for power steering in place of the old-fashioned hydraulic systems. Electric power steering is much more efficient and cheaper to build, but some people think it's got worse feedback. Fully electric steering with no mechanical connection would be a Drive By Wire system, and they're still rather expensive and finicky on cars.

To me, although the steering is rather light, the feedback is great and on the 100HP you can make it heavier with the sport button, so there's no real drawback to it.
 
Steering feel - well it is an electric system so will feel more artificial than an older car with rods and levers connecting wheels to rack to steering wheel. I find there is a reasonable amount of feedback, enough for me at least.

My last car (Fiat Seicento) had electric power steering too, so they should be equally as strange.

'Normal' mode is only really useful if you need to steer with one finger!
 
To me, although the steering is rather light, the feedback is great and on the 100HP you can make it heavier with the sport button, so there's no real drawback to it.

Hmm I don't think 'feedback' is great. I would say that there is a lack of steering feel, you just simply don't get the communication through the wheel as to what the wheels are doing. It's not an insurmountable issue, but the steering does 'feel' artificial. I don't remember this being much of an issue on an RX8 I used to race (that had electric steering as well), though I do think that electric power steering does lack feel compared to hydraulic power steering systems.

Of course none match an unassisted car, but I still think that hydraulic power steering is currently the best compromise, though I admit that there probably are better electric systems out there than the ones fiat use on the panda.
 
Of course none match an unassisted car

I agree with this entirely! I used to have a Mk1 golf GTI and the feel was great, although to be honest, i can deal with the lack of feel, and i must say i do like the feel of the resistance in sport mode, even though it is artificial! (hope i explained that properly and it doesnt sound like nonsense!)

I've had my HP for a month now, and ive done 1500 miles in it, still finding an excuse to go and throw it down a twisty B-road!
I love the engine response, especially over 3500rpm, and it loves to be revved right up to the red line, no problems. I bought mine used with 18k on, so mine is nicely loosened!

I love the feel of the notchy gearchange too, personally i find the action really satisfying and precise, and i havent missed a gear yet!

Im a musician, and i was going to order one with the upgraded hi-fi, but i did question how upgraded it would be for only £150?! But in all honesty, i think the standard setup sounds good, not great, but adequate! Mine has the CD changer option, which means i cant get the aux lead to connect my iPod, therefore im playing it through an iTrip, which is crap quality anyway, but when i play CDs, its fine!

I also have the Skydome option, and i really like the way it lets more light into the cabin, making it feel a lot bigger than it is!

All in all, no complaints about the car whatsoever, i was originally only going to keep it for 12 months and get an Alfa Brera S, but now im thinking twice....
 
Hmm I don't think 'feedback' is great. I would say that there is a lack of steering feel, you just simply don't get the communication through the wheel as to what the wheels are doing.
I think perhaps you're used to heavier steering cars, but I definitely feel that I'm getting adequate feedback from the steering. You're absolutely right that the steering is very light, but with a light touch and a certain smoothness, I can definitely feel what's going on. Even on slightly botched corners where you need to correct quickly. It may not be fast, but it's still heaps of fun to rag on, even in non-100HP guise.

Of course none match an unassisted car
Even my 1988 Corolla DX felt very connected due to unassisted steering. It had a big old Captain Yarr-sized steering wheel, too:p
 
I think perhaps you're used to heavier steering cars, but I definitely feel that I'm getting adequate feedback from the steering. You're absolutely right that the steering is very light, but with a light touch and a certain smoothness, I can definitely feel what's going on. Even on slightly botched corners where you need to correct quickly. It may not be fast, but it's still heaps of fun to rag on, even in non-100HP guise.


Even my 1988 Corolla DX felt very connected due to unassisted steering. It had a big old Captain Yarr-sized steering wheel, too:p

Well my other car an Integra Type-R which has lighter steering than the 100hp (in sport mode), but it has some more feel. I think the difficulty in feel is always going to be compromised in FWD cars. RWD cars suffer far less as you obviously don't have the issue of the power going through the wheels that are steering. Most of my previous cars were RWD (MR2s, 3 series etc).

I agee it's all good fun and to punt a 100hp down a fast A-road really gets it going for sure.
 
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