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Sadly mate, experience seems to count for very little as there are 'certain people' who insist that their opinion is always right and anyone who disagrees doesn't know what they are talking about.... (n)

Thing is other people have other experiences too :)

I've had good experiences with Bilstein's and Koni's as has TDQ, Rob hasn't which is fair enough. I'm sure Rob and myself are big boys and can deal with someone not agreeing with us ;) Funny thing is all 3 of the people having the disagreement have had experiences with the products they're talking about so it's a fair discussion really. We're all big boys and girls so I think we can deal with this ourselves thanks ;)
 
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Oh sorry I thought this was a public forum.... :rolleyes:
I don't like to tell people that they're sticking their noses in usually. Thing is I don't agree with Rob's opinion on this thread but he's had some experiences and he's justified his opinion so I respect his opinion. You just came in her and took his side and slagged people off for no real reason (n)
 
I don't like to tell people that they're sticking their noses in usually. Thing is I don't agree with Rob's opinion on this thread but he's had some experiences and he's justified his opinion so I respect his opinion. You just came in her and took his side and slagged people off for no real reason (n)

DING. Maybe you can only be right if you are part of the clique?
 
I don't really think that's a fair observation. What can be seen is a group of people preferring to provoke rather than discuss, to refuse to accept others viewpoints and opinions.

If people are feeling excluded, perhaps they should look as to why this happens to them and not the rest of the forum membership.
 
I don't like to tell people that they're sticking their noses in usually. Thing is I don't agree with Rob's opinion on this thread but he's had some experiences and he's justified his opinion so I respect his opinion. You just came in her and took his side and slagged people off for no real reason (n)

Firstly I didn't slag anyone off....

And as for respecting his opinion....What a joke!....

Rob explained clearly why he felt Spax were a good choice and how in his experience they had done a better job than other the makes mentioned....

And the responses....?

"Do you work for Spax or something?" and "I'm sorry but Spax are not quite up there with Bilstein or Koni"

I would suggest that shows a complete disregard for his opinion rather than respect for it. :rolleyes:

DING. Maybe you can only be right if you are part of the clique?

Or not a troll.... (y)
 
Firstly I didn't slag anyone off....

And as for respecting his opinion....What a joke!....

Rob explained clearly why he felt Spax were a good choice and how in his experience they had done a better job than other the makes mentioned....

And the responses....?

"Do you work for Spax or something?" and "I'm sorry but Spax are not quite up there with Bilstein or Koni"

I would suggest that shows a complete disregard for his opinion rather than respect for it. :rolleyes:



Or not a troll.... (y)

Just because Rob has had a good experience with Spax does not mean that they are a better option than bilstein or Koni which I understand he hasn't actually tried. I've actually had both spax and koni. I'd only have koni given the choice.

Rob went on blurting a load of marketing rubbish. That does not make them better. It's like he cut and pasted from their website or something.

You seem to be siding. What a surprise.
 
Just because Rob has had a good experience with Spax does not mean that they are a better option than bilstein or Koni which I understand he hasn't actually tried.

i am sharing 10 years experience on 'centos. bilsteins failed miserably, as did Konis

Maybe if you actually read what people put you wouldn't make yourself look so silly. :rolleyes:

You seem to be siding. What a surprise.

If 'siding' means going with the person who explains their reason and shares their experience rather than just trolling, then yes I suppose I am....:rolleyes:
 
How about a 100HP meet where those who have had aftermarket suspension fitted show us standard-suspended folks how each kit feels?

I'll be honest - I love our Panda, but the crashy suspension (mainly rear) is starting to make me think about changing it (oh, and the constantly squeaking front brakes...). I don't want to change as the car is only just coming up to 2 years old and I hate depreciation (even if its only 5k). If I change it will probably be to a pre-depreciated VW Touareg 4.2 V8 (nothing like getting a similar type of vehicle :D ).
 
Trefor "If I change it will probably be to a pre-depreciated VW Touareg 4.2 V8 (nothing like getting a similar type of vehicle :D"

Do they come in red?
 
Just because Rob has had a good experience with Spax does not mean that they are a better option than bilstein or Koni which I understand he hasn't actually tried. I've actually had both spax and koni. I'd only have koni given the choice.

Rob went on blurting a load of marketing rubbish. That does not make them better. It's like he cut and pasted from their website or something.

You seem to be siding. What a surprise.

time of the month TDQ?

i was not blurting marketing rubbish i simply copied some useful info from the Spax website, and referenced it(y)

as far as siding and cliques - sorry you feel insecure...

perhaps if you didn't come across as so arrogant others would respect your opinons too. you have a lot of experience modding and racing cars which many could benefit from.
 
This is bull****. Everytime you don't agree with someone's opinion you're suddenly a troll.

What the hell is with the discussion skills of people on this forum? Can people not handle people not agreeing? My family have had two Koni/Bilstein equipped cars and they've been excellent and have been a great improvement over standard and then I've known people who have gone for some of the cheaper brands like Spax and Monroe and been somewhat underwhelmed. Koni's are used by McLaren for petes sake! Bilstein have a long history of motorsport success at the highest levels also.

Bilstein may look back on more than four successful decades in motor racing: Dieter Glemser, Hans Heyer, Jackie Ickx, Walter Röhrl, Alain Prost, Bob Wollek, Stefan Bellof, Hans-Joachim Stuck, Klaus Ludwig... The list of drivers who made it to the record books as race winners and champions while relying on the dampers from Ennepetal looks like the international motor sport’s Who is Who. And the spectrum of the secured titles and race wins is just as variegated – at least: from the historic Mille Miglia through wins in all the important 24-hour races all around the world to the title at the pinnacle of motor racing, the Formula 1 World Championship.

In the 1970s, Bilstein drivers secured German Motor Racing Championship (DRM) titles and European Touring Car Championship titles in series. In 1977, Ickx/Barth/Haywood (Porsche 936 Turbo) clinched Bilstein’s first win in the legendary and prestigious Le Mans 24-Hour race and two years later, Klaus Ludwig celebrated his first DRM title at the wheel of the Kremer Porsche 935 Turbo.

The following decade turned out to be the most successful for ‘Bilstein Motorsport’. With McLaren, Alain Prost secured two consecutive Formula 1 World Championships, in 1985 and 1986; Walter Röhrl, Timo Salonen, Juha Kankkunen and Miki Biasion won a total of five World Rally Championships and in 1984, Metge/Lemoyne and their Porsche 911 AWD prevailed in the toughest rally of the world, the Paris-Dakar. The icing on the extremely successful 1980s-cake: four wins in the Le Mans 24-Hour Race, a success in the Daytona 24-Hour Race and the Ennepetaler’s first triumph in the 24-hour race held at the Nürburgring’s famous Nordschleife, the ‘Green Hell’, secured by Ravaglia/Pirro/Giroix at the wheel of a Schnitzer BMW M3.

And the streak of success was continued in the 1990s. In the USA, up to 90 percent of the NASCAR grid temporarily relied on Bilstein dampers, with true legends such as Dale Earnhardt and Sterling Marlin securing their titles with the German technology. At the same time, in Europe, DTM experienced a major boom and again the majority of the grid often was equipped with Bilstein dampers, helping the likes of Nicola Larini, Klaus Ludwig and Bernd Schneider to secure their race wins and DTM titles.
Following a several-year break, DTM was revived in 2000, with Bilstein successfully equipping Team AMG-Mercedes right from the start. At the wheel of the AMG-Mercedes CLK-DTM, Bernd Schneider secured three titles in 2000, 2001 and 2003, with the 2005 champion, Gary Paffett, also being a HWA driver.

That's a pretty impressive resume you'd have to agree


I don't really think that's a fair observation. What can be seen is a group of people preferring to provoke rather than discuss, to refuse to accept others viewpoints and opinions.

If people are feeling excluded, perhaps they should look as to why this happens to them and not the rest of the forum membership.

The funny thing is I have accepted what Rob has said and I respect it. I have clearly stated this in the thread!!!!!! Where is the provocation? Is it the fact that TDQ and myself disagreed with Rob? :confused: Are you and TheBItterPill the disagreement Police? :confused: I don't always agree with TDQ, in fact I feel she criticises the 100hp as if it were a much move expensive car as well as placing too much emphasis on track manners which I think is unfair as well.

In fact the only person who's actually provoked anyone was Rob with his "time of the month" statement which is just not on.....

For the record I still don't think Spax are up there with Koni and Bilstein :)
 
This is bull****. Everytime you don't agree with someone's opinion you're suddenly a troll.

Nope, not at all. There are grown up ways of debating and creating discussion and there are aggressive and offensive ways. Some choose one way, some choose another. The latter is trolling.

What the hell is with the discussion skills of people on this forum? Can people not handle people not agreeing? My family have had two Koni/Bilstein equipped cars and they've been excellent and have been a great improvement over standard and then I've known people who have gone for some of the cheaper brands like Spax and Monroe and been somewhat underwhelmed. Koni's are used by McLaren for petes sake! Bilstein have a long history of motorsport success at the highest levels also.

That's a pretty impressive resume you'd have to agree.


The funny thing is I have accepted what Rob has said and I respect it. I have clearly stated this in the thread!!!!!! Where is the provocation? Is it the fact that TDQ and myself disagreed with Rob? :confused: Are you and TheBItterPill the disagreement Police? :confused: I don't always agree with TDQ, in fact I feel she criticises the 100hp as if it were a much move expensive car as well as placing too much emphasis on track manners which I think is unfair as well.

In fact the only person who's actually provoked anyone was Rob with his "time of the month" statement which is just not on.....

For the record I still don't think Spax are up there with Koni and Bilstein :)

Interesting that you assume you are in the trolling group. My comment neither named you nor was posted directly after one of yours. If you feel you are being treated differently to other members, maybe you should, as suggested, read how others handle such situations.
 
This is bull****. Everytime you don't agree with someone's opinion you're suddenly a troll.

No but some people do seem to make a habit of it....;)

What the hell is with the discussion skills of people on this forum? Can people not handle people not agreeing?

I don't really care whether people agree or not, in fact I think it's healthy....But what I find amusing is when people harp on about respecting opinions when they are clearly only interested in their own....

That's a pretty impressive resume you'd have to agree

Do you work for Bilstein or something? :rolleyes:
 
Nope, not at all. There are grown up ways of debating and creating discussion and there are aggressive and offensive ways. Some choose one way, some choose another. The latter is trolling.

Interesting that you assume you are in the trolling group. My comment neither named you nor was posted directly after one of yours. If you feel you are being treated differently to other members, maybe you should, as suggested, read how others handle such situations.

I'm sorry but that's not true. Being agressive has nothing to do with whether you're trolling or not. Trolling is posting a view purely to get a reaction out of other people.
 
perhaps have a read of this ;)

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Incidentally i've done Donington, Mallory and Oulton Park in my 100hp and NEVER experienced the back end stepping out. Even lift off oversteer is unheard of! Yes it can get twitchy on the limit but i always praise the fact that its virtually impossible to lose control of. If anything it would be nice to have an adjustable set up that would allow some more neg camber to be applied, coupled with some slicks it would be pretty fierce!:cool:

On the road the ride is way too harsh but that was apparent from the test drive so i would only swap it for the aformentioned set-up because i would hate to comprimise the handling:)
 
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