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General 100hp or Mito Turismo?

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General 100hp or Mito Turismo?

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Did you look at the speedo then? 1,2,3,4 - 100mph. Leaves 5 and 6 to drop down to silent running.

The 1.4 I'm pretty sure comes with a 6 speed box so you'll be changing gear just as much, well more as you'll need to drop down to overtake or tackle hills.

Come to the Yorkshire meet and I'll show you how to drive a diesel properly. :D
 
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SeiSporting said:
It will only be used for slow long journeys to seaside the scenic route and work every day to keep miles off of Cento.
Astra wasnt as quick as cinq to speeds i had it to 0-70 ish.
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You're saying you want to amble along, but disregard the diesel because you can't rev the knackers off it.

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My 150bhp Bravo does 0-60 in 8.4 sec in the wet. My 2.0 148bhp Tipo does 0-60 in 8.3 sec in the damp.

The Bravo weighs about 300Kg more :)
 
Hellcat said:
You're saying you want to amble along, but disregard the diesel because you can't rev the knackers off it.

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My 150bhp Bravo does 0-60 in 8.4 sec in the wet. My 2.0 148bhp Tipo does 0-60 in 8.3 sec in the damp.

The Bravo weighs about 300Kg more :)
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I need to hear a nice noise if i find a nice bit of road when im on my own though.
I will never ever buy a diesel car. Just because i like the power delivery of petrols. Diesels are all low down torque. No fun in upper rev range.
The Jag 3.0v6 diesel is about the only one i would ever consider as it pulls hard to the redline with no seeming drop off in power.
Until diesels rev like petrols and without the lag, which they all have. no matter how small it is, there is never instant response.
Everyone has their own preference and even if i need to change down a gear to accelerate at least i'll be hearing some proper noise.
 
Have fun with your compromise.

Diesels are never going to rev or sound like petrols because that would be a backward step in development. They're quiet and you don't need to rev them to have fun. If you dont' have fun with a quick diesel, you're driving it wrong.
 
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SeiSporting said:
I need to hear a nice noise if i find a nice bit of road when im on my own though.
I will never ever buy a diesel car. Just because i like the power delivery of petrols. Diesels are all low down torque. No fun in upper rev range.
The Jag 3.0v6 diesel is about the only one i would ever consider as it pulls hard to the redline with no seeming drop off in power.
Until diesels rev like petrols and without the lag, which they all have. no matter how small it is, there is never instant response.
Everyone has their own preference and even if i need to change down a gear to accelerate at least i'll be hearing some proper noise.
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DING (totally agree). Not everyone likes dismals no matter how much torque they have. The lag is always an issue plus no revs = no fun and a lack of involvement in my book.
 
Hellcat said:
What am I compromising on? My day to day car has high power, low noise and high MPG. Yours has... hmmm more numbers on the tacho?
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Throttle response and an engine worth listening to are two things that spring to mind. :p

I don't have to worry about power when my other car has 200bhp and revs to 8500rpm. I don't know of many dismals that can do that.
 
isn't a mito a gp in a fancy frock?

if so, surely a weight level above the panda, and the two can't really be seen as straight choice?

and since we appear to have strayed away from the OP, where would everyone like me to carve off the "off topic" to a new thread?
 
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Who needs to rev to 8500 when I can get 200bhp at 4200? :confused:

Turbo lag... of course petrols never suffer turbo lag.

on topic.

Well if all you want to do is listen to the engine fine, but for a sensible 2nd car (which is what he was after) perhaps he may have wanted to listen to the radio, or talked with his passengers without a continual drone.
 
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I know that petrol engined cars of the early years have a bit of lag, but the modern Diesel engines are a bit "all low down" in my opinion.

My Jeep patriot has the VW 2 ltr TDI engine and 6 speed 'box, and it gives great economy, but if I'm honest, it's rubbish to drive. There's no power whatsoever below 2k rpm, then loads of ooomph up to 3k rpm, then nothing again.

For example:- Coming to a junction very slow, seeing nothing to stop you moving on, in 2nd gear I sometimes stall, and it stalls with a thud. There is literally no power below 2k rpm.


Now I realise why it has a 6 speed 'box!!

I'm with TDQ and others on this thread. Petrol engines give a much nicer spread of power and torque through their rev range.

Diesels have come a long way from the early days of the like of Peugeot 205's, but they are quite boring compared to petrol engines, and yes, I have owned a tuned Skoda Fabia VRS.
 
Jai said:
isn't a mito a gp in a fancy frock?

if so, surely a weight level above the panda, and the two can't really be seen as straight choice?

I think it is a GP in disguise, thats why im a bit worried as to how it handles :(
I know the Panda handles well, the GP does'nt bar the Abarth model.
I imagine Alfa have done some trickery with the chassis (i hope). But they are the only 2 cars i would consider atm that Fiat/Alfa have out.
All the rest are too big.
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tuned Skoda Fabia VRS.
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Everyone who's had a Fabia VRS, even the tuned ones, said it was boring, so I'm not suprised.

I can easily drive my Bravo around between 1000-1600rpm and keep up with traffic, suggesting it's VWs rather than Fiat units which have very narrow power bands.

I can also push my foot down at 3000rpm and pull all the way around to 4300 if I did so desire. There are plenty of RR graphs to prove that there is usuable power all the way to the redline.

I've not seen RR for the 1.6 multijet, or it's tunable potential - but saying one diesel will be crap, because another one is is like me saying the 1.4 in the 100hp is crap because the 1.4 in the bravo/brava was crap.
 
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Hellcat said:
Everyone who's had a Fabia VRS, even the tuned ones, said it was boring, so I'm not suprised.

I can easily drive my Bravo around between 1000-1600rpm and keep up with traffic, suggesting it's VWs rather than Fiat units which have very narrow power bands.

I can also push my foot down at 3000rpm and pull all the way around to 4300 if I did so desire. There are plenty of RR graphs to prove that there is usuable power all the way to the redline.

I've not seen RR for the 1.6 multijet, or it's tunable potential - but saying one diesel will be crap, because another one is is like me saying the 1.4 in the 100hp is crap because the 1.4 in the bravo/brava was crap.
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I'm sorry but for some people petrol still wins. I really quite like driving the wifes Subaru. Driving in town not using the turbo it still has enough responsiveness to make it drivable. My diesel 406 pulls alright but it just isn't satisfying, you've either got to wring it's neck and rev it so you're still in the torque band when you go up a gear or you get lag. Sure the 1.6 diesel is quicker than the 1.4 na Mito but it costs a lot more and you'd be better off going for the 120 turbo and just driving it gently for economy. if I get a Mito it'll be in a few years time when the Multiair engines are out and it'll be a turbo petrol engine. A diesel Alfa is like Claudia Schiffer with a beard. It just doesn't quite work IMHO.
 
As regards to diesels, i like the Italian derived 2.4 turbo diesel, 5 cylinder (i believe it was in some older Fiats, now used in a few Alfa's) Sounds awesome for a diesel, does 40 MPG average, 210 BHP and 300 ft pounds of Torque! Will it fit in the Panda!?
 
My wife has a 1995 Golf Tdi, its a shed with rust and dents and the interior is shockingly badly made, it steers rubbish, doesnt handle and generally is an awful car.... but the Tdi engine is a gem, a right hoot to drive and the one thing alone that makes the car fun. Ive driven petrol Golf 3s and hated them, so diesel can be good.
 
The petrol/diesel thing all boils down to personal preference, we aren't going to reach a conclusion on here.

Some like the sound, the peaky nature of petrol engines and making them sing past 7,000 revs, the fact that you don't sometimes have to wear gloves to fill up - some aren't that bothered by these particular attributes and enjoy the fact that you can make relatively rapid, discrete progress without revving the nackers off a Diesel.

Live and let live :)
 
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