Not that it really matters but the new MJ 4x4 Cross emitts 143g/km co2 because of 4x4 and extra weight I guess so will be in £120 tax band.
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General panda 4 by 4 turbo it's here
Tax isn't everything 
Was close to importing a LHD one before I gave up and bought the MJ. As for defecting it's still a Panda.........but not as we know it Jim........
Was close to importing a LHD one before I gave up and bought the MJ. As for defecting it's still a Panda.........but not as we know it Jim........
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a Cross Panda
Oi! bugger off back to your Bravo section.....
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I know Amanda from another forum so my suggestion was that she was joining the other "defectors" who seem to be popping up recently on FF rather than anything to do with the car she's interested in
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So do you guys think I am correct in assuming if Fiat have engineered the Cross for RHD, they will also have done the same for the regular Fiat 4x4 Panda? That would be the car I was interested in.
I too would prefer the normal 4x4 with the Multijet engine... Maybe one day...
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yes i think that would be more appropriate
maybe a normal 4 by 4 with locking diff abs jigery pokery and non of that daft plastic
actually i rather like it it's funky
shame about the emisions maybe they will /have done or should put the 90hp in it then it go like hell because again it would end up being 120 as someone said wit 75 0r 90
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Geordie Amanda
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Hurooo ChrisHello hello Amanda! Is everyone defecting?
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. I am a long time Fiat fan, although I have been away from the fold for a while. A 4 x 4 MJ Panda would be a brilliant second car. I could use it for when I am working up in Scotland, Wales and the North East during the Winter and feel safe that I shouldn’t get stuck (assuming the roads aren’t blocked by other traffic)
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So it this one a densel?
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Hurooo Chris
nice colection of cars you have had amanda
@most easterly yes cross and thiss one if it is a cross are diesel
someone asked me how it drove before
as it happens quieter than the normal panda diesel and just like a 4 by 4 i spose with loads more umpf
i had a look underneath towards the rear diff and it looks like drive goes straight in with no viscose coupling so might actually be a permenand four as there's no centre diff layout well there couldn't be anyway in a front transverse althou it may have been on the back of the front diff didn't look there
cant comment on handling as i didnt drive very spiritedly as i was only moving it about
but i can imagine with the 15s on it will be better than a normal 4 by 4 bit wider than the 14s it also seemed a bit taller to me not sure on ride height might have just been due to the alloys i will measure it if i see it again
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The Cross does have higher ground clearance as standard. The classic 4x4 has the rear drive attached to the back of the gearbox and a lever to select either 4 or 2wd but doubt the cross will be the same
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the front is the sme as usual out he second pinion on the diff but were the viscouse coupling has gone i have no idea
surely without it it wil not up horibly as it has such a tight turn
even the normal 4 by 4s give a little resistance if you use full lock and lift the clutch it's like your resting on the brake
Just to answer some of the questions around this thread (figures from Fiat worlwide sites)
The current Panda 4x4 Climbing and the new Panda Cross both have the same ground clearance -- 165mm, which is 50mm more than the other Pandas (Active/Dynamic/Eleganza) The 100HP is lower still. (On the continent, there is a more basic 4x4 model, which only has 160mm of clearance)
The 4x4 system is the same in both the current Panda 4x4 Climbing and the new Panda Cross: full time front wheel drive, viscous coupling built in to the rear diff housing, and this brings in a degree of 4 wheel drive if the fronts lose traction. Maximum of 50:50 front:rear power split. There are no levers or controls to engage 4x4.
Only the Cross has ELD (electronic 'locking diff'), which uses ABS system -- nothing in the system looks different to 4x4 Climbing, except a switch on dashboard to the right of the hazard lights (which is blanked off with every other model) is used to turn ON the ELD -- by default is is off, and it automatically turns off again once speed reaches 18mph.
The Cross has 15 inch wheels, but lower profile section tyres (compared to 4x4 Climbing) -- overall rolling diameter is the same.
The Cross is only available with the 1.3 MultiJet engine, giving 70BHP. The Panda 4x4 Climbing only comes as 60BHP 1.2 petrol. 0-62mph takes 18 seconds in the Cross Multijet, 2 seconds quicker than the 1.2 Climbing. The Cross produces 141g/km CO2 (Climbing is 156)
The Cross version includes climate control as standard (in rest of Europe), and I guess that will be true here too.
The Cross has additional side mouldings and unique paint colours giving a two-tone effect, different lights at front and rear, an extra 'tray' as part of the roofbars, altered bumpers/grilles, and a different under-engine protection tray (compared to the Climbing -- the Climbing's is a metal sheet, the Cross uses tubular bars). Also, the dashboard plastics are black, not grey.
The Cross weighs 1090kg, and can tow 900kg of braked trailer. The Climbing is lighter, at 965kg.
The current Panda 4x4 Climbing and the new Panda Cross both have the same ground clearance -- 165mm, which is 50mm more than the other Pandas (Active/Dynamic/Eleganza) The 100HP is lower still. (On the continent, there is a more basic 4x4 model, which only has 160mm of clearance)
The 4x4 system is the same in both the current Panda 4x4 Climbing and the new Panda Cross: full time front wheel drive, viscous coupling built in to the rear diff housing, and this brings in a degree of 4 wheel drive if the fronts lose traction. Maximum of 50:50 front:rear power split. There are no levers or controls to engage 4x4.
Only the Cross has ELD (electronic 'locking diff'), which uses ABS system -- nothing in the system looks different to 4x4 Climbing, except a switch on dashboard to the right of the hazard lights (which is blanked off with every other model) is used to turn ON the ELD -- by default is is off, and it automatically turns off again once speed reaches 18mph.
The Cross has 15 inch wheels, but lower profile section tyres (compared to 4x4 Climbing) -- overall rolling diameter is the same.
The Cross is only available with the 1.3 MultiJet engine, giving 70BHP. The Panda 4x4 Climbing only comes as 60BHP 1.2 petrol. 0-62mph takes 18 seconds in the Cross Multijet, 2 seconds quicker than the 1.2 Climbing. The Cross produces 141g/km CO2 (Climbing is 156)
The Cross version includes climate control as standard (in rest of Europe), and I guess that will be true here too.
The Cross has additional side mouldings and unique paint colours giving a two-tone effect, different lights at front and rear, an extra 'tray' as part of the roofbars, altered bumpers/grilles, and a different under-engine protection tray (compared to the Climbing -- the Climbing's is a metal sheet, the Cross uses tubular bars). Also, the dashboard plastics are black, not grey.
The Cross weighs 1090kg, and can tow 900kg of braked trailer. The Climbing is lighter, at 965kg.
Towing weight is the same as the MJ panda then, thought it would be more on a 4x4?
On the original brochures and tech info for the 4x4/Cross it mentions that the ride hight for the Cross & standard 4x4 panda is 5cm of a difference (will try to hunt these out if I can)
But thanks for the info.....
OK looked again and it mentions as you say that the climbing and the Cross have the same ground clearance of 165mm whearas the Standard 4x4 is 160mm SO what is the standard 4x4 in the UK is it the climbing or just the 4x4? not that any of this really matters I suppose.
Will call the dealer on Mon to see if they have one in the showroom if so will take the MJ in to get serviced early (5900 miles) and at the same time try to get all the little faults corrected whilst having a look at the Cross and see if I can sort out a new finance package to sell the MJ and get a Cross.
Finally what is the little box on the front of the plastic piece that runs in the middle of the roof? is there an air vent added?
On the original brochures and tech info for the 4x4/Cross it mentions that the ride hight for the Cross & standard 4x4 panda is 5cm of a difference (will try to hunt these out if I can)
But thanks for the info.....
OK looked again and it mentions as you say that the climbing and the Cross have the same ground clearance of 165mm whearas the Standard 4x4 is 160mm SO what is the standard 4x4 in the UK is it the climbing or just the 4x4? not that any of this really matters I suppose.
Will call the dealer on Mon to see if they have one in the showroom if so will take the MJ in to get serviced early (5900 miles) and at the same time try to get all the little faults corrected whilst having a look at the Cross and see if I can sort out a new finance package to sell the MJ and get a Cross.
Finally what is the little box on the front of the plastic piece that runs in the middle of the roof? is there an air vent added?
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I've always liked the idea of panda 4x4, a capable unpretensious car. But totally unsure as to why they didn't put the 1.2 16v in it. Its not like the car would be ruined by an engine out of keeping but a 18 second 0-60 is not so much slow as unsafe. Joining the motorway or pulling out quickly becomes dangerous when a vehicle is that slow. While 80bhp might only take it down to 12-14 sec 0-60 mark it would make a difference to drivability and not use massive amounts of fuel more and its not like the block is any bigger and the bottom end is the same so should fit on gearbox.
They could have put in the 90hp 1.3 multijet that Vauxhall use in the corsa
new panda is surely big enough to take a 1.9 lump?... 150bhp 4x4 diesel panda :chin:
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Any car is only as dangerous as the driver. If you have something slow you just need to plan manoeuvres better.
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it looks ike it could be a vent but it's just blocked off maybe it was used in the pari dacar ones
the 1.4 16v could easily fit the gearbox but it may be a little too powerful for the drive train the 1.2 16v is not curently in production for uk models as it would be too hard to make it euro 5 compliant infact it may be the last we see of that engine in the stilo
i should think the 75hp 1.4 8v would be suitable and bring the 0 to 60 down a tad without blowing up the diffs
don't swear in here remember fiat used the 90hp variant also in gp and doblo so there was no need to swear atall please be careful in future
er no it would actually get stuck between the chassis rails and the gearbox would be in the left hand wheel arch neve mind the rear diff all over the road
well it's seems very weird that i never saw the viscose coupling at the back i will have another look when i see it again but it definitely looked a different set up into the rear diff
i'm thinking it's maybe a stronger diff with in build viscouse to cope with wheels braking to induce drive at the other side maybe
Hmm 1.4 16v is actually marginally less torquey than 1.3 MJ, so if it can take one should be able to take the other, although 7k launches in a 1.4 16v would probably leave the tranmission in bits. Could artificially limit power in low gears to protect drivetrain like the focus RS.
