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Sorry to hear of your plight.

Excuse my ignorance but I'm assuming the GSR kit still has a filter somewhere? If so, get that changed straight away as if it's a paper one it'll be holding water like a sponge and confusing the crap out of the MAF sat just the other side. This has actually saved an E46 M3 of mine in the past as it held all the water, preventing it going any further. If it uses a cotton type filter you may not be quite so lucky.

Next on my list would be plugs, leads and coil pack. If none of that cures it then it's compression test time, although I'd do this anyway considering you'll have the plugs out.

We had a SportKA in recently that had been through a 'puddle' and it turned out to be a bent con-rod on number 3 - customer ended up putting a new engine in it under warranty.

Good luck with whatever route you choose to take but I'm sorry to say I don't think Fiat will entertain any form of warranty claim.

Ben
 
Sorry to hear of your plight.

Excuse my ignorance but I'm assuming the GSR kit still has a filter somewhere? If so, get that changed straight away as if it's a paper one it'll be holding water like a sponge and confusing the crap out of the MAF sat just the other side. This has actually saved an E46 M3 of mine in the past as it held all the water, preventing it going any further. If it uses a cotton type filter you may not be quite so lucky.

Next on my list would be plugs, leads and coil pack. If none of that cures it then it's compression test time, although I'd do this anyway considering you'll have the plugs out.

We had a SportKA in recently that had been through a 'puddle' and it turned out to be a bent con-rod on number 3 - customer ended up putting a new engine in it under warranty.

Good luck with whatever route you choose to take but I'm sorry to say I don't think Fiat will entertain any form of warranty claim.

Ben

The filter is right on the end of the induction tube quite near to the ground and one of these

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-Fit-Silver-Induction-Kit-Performance-Filter_W0QQitemZ200233858393QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200233858393&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

So if you have the misfortune to get into problems with surface water of any depth the induction sucks it up like a straw..slurrrrrrrp..of course he wont tell you that because its bad for business and he wont sell any if people really know the facts..
 
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So if you have the misfortune to get into problems with surface water of any depth the induction sucks it up like a straw..slurrrrrrrp..of course he wont tell you that because its bad for business and he wont sell any if people really know the facts..

DING (I agree).

I don't think we should be promoting products that could potentially cause so many problems to members in all honesty. If this happenned on the club i am a director of (IMOC-UK) then i would be seriously questioning whether or not we should be promoting such products as the potential to write off an engine is too high.
 
Having the filter on the intake end is ridiculous! Especially if it's mounted as low as it appears to be. Having had an M3 CSL as well with the induction hole on the NSF corner of the bumper I'm well aware at the issues surrounding having to avoid puddles etc, but at least the filter was at the plenum chamber end and the pipe had a cut out (in its vertical section) so that any water that did happen to get in could escape before it reached 'the business end'.

Ben
 
Maybe true, but one can write off an engine simply by not checking the oil, careless yes, but noones fault but the owners. Likewise, if the purchaser of said kit wants to take the risk of fitting it, its not the kits fault. The GSR kits sole purpose is performance and driveability enhancement. Therefore yes, its going to be worse going through water, but its only the owners fault if he chooses to do so.

And while the car isnt fording deep water, the kit is doing its job in enhancing the car, so I dont agree we should not promote this equipment. There is too much nannying these days its the owners choice.
 
it want surface water of any depth it was a flood ffs, as gary and stu who both have the same kits on the same car have confirmed there is no problem with surface water of any depth, its just these people that drive through a flood that have the problem.
its like any mod you have to adapt how you use your car when you mod it, fit alloys keep away from curbs, lower your car stay away from speed bumps
 
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I have driven my car for 1000s of miles with it on, in varying conditions, at speeds on the motorways, back lanes, all whilst it has been pelting down with rain.

And guess what? Yeah, it does everything it is meant to do (y)

If you want to drive through a flood, then do so at your own peril - don't come on here, saying we shouldn't be promoting the product! Put that down to end-user error.

Oh and Phil, it is getting tiresome now :rolleyes:
 
Maybe true, but one can write off an engine simply by not checking the oil, careless yes, but noones fault but the owners. Likewise, if the purchaser of said kit wants to take the risk of fitting it, its not the kits fault. The GSR kits sole purpose is performance and driveability enhancement. Therefore yes, its going to be worse going through water, but its only the owners fault if he chooses to do so.

And while the car isnt fording deep water, the kit is doing its job in enhancing the car, so I dont agree we should not promote this equipment. There is too much nannying these days its the owners choice.

Surely it must be possible to design an induction kit that doesn't suffer from these problems though?

Performance is no good if it puts the engine at risk of ingesting water though is it? Its not really fit for purpose from that perspective is it?

Well if the forum wants to promote a product that has such potential to cause catastrophic failure of the engine on what is likely to be a new car (therefore bloody expensive to replace) rather than promoting products which don't carry such a risk, then I'm not sure that the forum is being responsible to its members by promoting such a product.

Obviously i understand that the forum does not hold any responsibility for what people purchase and as thus is not liable as such, but its in the forums interest to look after their members, ie there is a duty of care to at least some extent.

I've certainly asked people to withdraw droplinks before, solely because they had no dirt/water protection and tended to fall apart in the space of a few weeks. A failing droplink (for ARB) would not cause any catastrophic failures but even so I wouldn't want to be seen to be promoting a product that is not up to scratch or fit for purpose.
 
it want surface water of any depth it was a flood ffs, as gary and stu who both have the same kits on the same car have confirmed there is no problem with surface water of any depth, its just these people that drive through a flood that have the problem.
its like any mod you have to adapt how you use your car when you mod it, fit alloys keep away from curbs, lower your car stay away from speed bumps

Its funny how a puddle has turned into a flood isn't it? One extreme to another. I'm sure it was a relatively deep puddle as does happen on some roads in heavy rain. However had an owner with a standard setup gone through the same puddle/river/flood/tsunami then we can probably say that they would not have encountered the same problem as a result.

I don't agree that you have to adapt your driving style around an air filter... that sounds like pure idiocy to me. Sure if you lower your car then you are going to have to slow down over speedbumps, but avoiding puddles because of too low an air pick up is not acceptable in my eyes.

Does anyone have a picture of how low the pick up is on a GSR induction kit?
 
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track day Queen its up to the Driver to decide what he does to his/her car you wouldn't run track tires on the road for example but using a bit of savvy and thinking in the context of "what if?"

and seeing as the OP had said he saw a Rover broken down in the "puddle" i'd have certainly thought twice about trying to ford it in any car even 4x4's can break down in puddles....

I was looking at a GSR kit not too long back (decided against it in the end due to insurance costs and where its fitted on the grande punto)

As I know as an owner that the location where the element fits lets in a lot of water from the front o/s wheel now would you expect a small independent producer to know this detail unless you have lived with a car for a while you often find things out that no one else could possibly foresee?

Now by the looks of other threads Oldschool makes a very good product which must be OK as he has Quiet a fan base but like any product it has its limits and surely some of the blame lies with the owner....
 
Oh and Phil, it is getting tiresome now :rolleyes:

Simple solution is to tell him to pay me the money he owes me and I will go away..his lies that he has tried to PM/email and phone me doesnt cut it any longer and people are realising what he is now thank heaven..so when you go down to the next r/r day go over to him and say give me the money you owe Phil and that will be that and until he does the right thing by me he will have me on his back for the duration ..I want you to send it to me I dont trust the man everyone thinks is MR.nice guy on here any longer and many people are at last coming to the same opinion ..Maybe I should take my complaint direct to Ben if you cant deal with it..
 
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Its funny how a puddle has turned into a flood isn't it? One extreme to another. I'm sure it was a relatively deep puddle as does happen on some roads in heavy rain. However had an owner with a standard setup gone through the same puddle/river/flood/tsunami then we can probably say that they would not have encountered the same problem as a result.

I don't agree that you have to adapt your driving style around an air filter... that sounds like pure idiocy to me. Sure if you lower your car then you are going to have to slow down over speedbumps, but avoiding puddles because of too low an air pick up is not acceptable in my eyes.

Does anyone have a picture of how low the pick up is on a GSR induction kit?

go back and read where the op corected the puddle remark, you are getting very boring now, maybe you should change your user name to drama queen.
the filter on the gsr sits about 2 foot from the road
 
Simple solution is to tell him to pay me the money he owes me and I will go away..his lies that he has tried to PM/email and phone me doesnt cut it any longer and people are realising what he is now thank heaven..so when you go down to the next r/r day go over to him and say give me the money you owe Phil and that will be that and until he does the right thing by me he will have me on his back for the duration ..I want you to send it to me I dont trust the man everyone thinks is MR.nice guy on here any longer and many people are at last coming to the same opinion ..Maybe I should take my complaint direct to Ben if you cant deal with it..

Ben is aware of your issues phil and is as bored with it as the rest of us
 
Ben is aware of your issues phil and is as bored with it as the rest of us

Well from that comment it say's it all..(n) one day you all will see the truth about the man you are all at the moment waring blinkers but one day they will come off and the truth will come out..
 
Well from that comment it say's it all..(n) one day you all will see the truth about the man you are all at the moment waring blinkers but one day they will come off and the truth will come out..

It is very interesting the way you are behaving. I thought after you turned funny I would wait a bit longer. And sadly you have proven me right. You are telling lies in order to get back on someone else. And you admitted it even in a roundabout way.

You joined the ranks of BenR. (n)
 
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