General Panda 4x4 NIGHTMARE, RIP OFF, Don't buy it!

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General Panda 4x4 NIGHTMARE, RIP OFF, Don't buy it!

How about the Suzuki Jimny. Not much cop on road, not much room inside but very cheap these days, unbreakable in the worst off-road situations and totally reliable. Still has a chassis so grounding out and big knocks to the underside are easily sustained. If I had your job with its demands and only needed a small car that would be my choice.
 
To StephinScotland

If you have to have a smallish 4x4 car then consider a non-turbo Subaru (Impreza or Forester). They would be a lot heavier on the petrol than your Panda, although the later one (2005-on) are more powerful and economical.

We had a non-turbo Impreza and put 150k on it. Absolutely fantastic car, the wife and I loved it to bits. Just totally solid and reliable. Would have liked the turbo model, but couldn't afford the insurance and 22mpg economy, more's the pity!
In all of that mileage we only had to replace two driveshaft rubber gaiters. Everything else was just service items (timing belts, filters, brake pads and discs) and the trim and chassis stood up to the hard use very well. You could get a decent secondhand one for the price of you Panda. Running costs (mainly fuel) could be high if you cover a high mileage though. If you're a low miles driver then this would be much less of an issue. Subaru dealer servicing can be expensive, but you'll find a local garage can service a non-turbo version quite inexpensively.
 
The insurance on the turbo model (UK 2000 or WRX) isn't that bad really - at 22 with 1 year's NCB I paid £1200 - and ours averaged 27mpg being abused and a shade above 30mpg driving a bit more economically. Servicing was quite frequent at 7.5k miles but I think the newer ones are slightly bettwer at 10k miles. I'd guess tax is going to be the real killer these days.

Completely agree on the solid and reliable though - the only problem with ours was a dead battery in year 5 and being so addictive to drive that we put on a hell of a lot more miles than we'd planned to!

Our neighbour had a Forester turbo and that was a very competent car with plenty of stealth value. :D

Chris
 
To StephinScotland

If you have to have a smallish 4x4 car then consider a non-turbo Subaru (Impreza or Forester). They would be a lot heavier on the petrol than your Panda, although the later one (2005-on) are more powerful and economical.

We had a non-turbo Impreza and put 150k on it. Absolutely fantastic car, the wife and I loved it to bits. Just totally solid and reliable. Would have liked the turbo model, but couldn't afford the insurance and 22mpg economy, more's the pity!
In all of that mileage we only had to replace two driveshaft rubber gaiters. Everything else was just service items (timing belts, filters, brake pads and discs) and the trim and chassis stood up to the hard use very well. You could get a decent secondhand one for the price of you Panda. Running costs (mainly fuel) could be high if you cover a high mileage though. If you're a low miles driver then this would be much less of an issue. Subaru dealer servicing can be expensive, but you'll find a local garage can service a non-turbo version quite inexpensively.

Don't quite get how people get such bad economy out of Subaru's. I could get almost 40mpg out of my girlfriends L reg Legacy Turbo and they's renowned for being thirsty. Of course my drive to work was about 20 miles each way and I only needed to brake a couple of times as it's mostly dual carriageway and fast a road. But the engine has nearly 200k miles on it and they were never very good on fuel in the first place. I'd think an NA one would be a lot more fuel efficient if like me you can be nice and gentle with the throttle.

Enquired about services today for it at a proper Subaru garage and it's 180 for a light service, 280 for a medium and ~450 for a timing belt. So not totally unreasonable I think.

Personally if it were me and ground clearance wasn't an issue I'd go for an Impreza. I'm not really a fan of Subaru's but they are reliable.
 
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