It's even a different ecu to the 500 1.4, go figure!
Technical Panda 100HP Tuning!
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Damn thats annoying. Well i wouldnt bother with Cams/induction without being able to remap so thats a bummer.
I thought i had read that a foreign tuner had 'cracked' it somewhere. I just cant remember where i read it or who said it now. Any ideas ppl????
I thought i had read that a foreign tuner had 'cracked' it somewhere. I just cant remember where i read it or who said it now. Any ideas ppl????
i dont understand why the 100hp has this ecu, i understand why it on the gp because that has that actuator to block of one inlet port and varibale cam timming stuff. but why is it on a hp, didnt see no weired stuff on stus engine
i still thinking you could stick a punto mk2b 1.4 ecu (new) into the 100hp and map that
The ECU is linked to teh chassis on the Panda isn't it? So you can't just plonk another ECU from another car in it.
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The car may run a bit fluffy with a lot of tuning done to it and may even bring on the ecu warning light if the signals it receives aren't within 'normal HP' parameters - i.e. if the sensors are teling it to chuck a load more fuel in than standard, it won't like it.
ie: ineficient. The Subarus ecu does the same: when the parameters go off the map it simply goes into limp-mode. Sprays fuel, cuts timing and boost.
Originally Posted by grizzly_panda
I have the Ragazzon exhaust with the straight through centre pipe and the GSR induction kit. It sounds awesome now and at first I thought it hadn't made a difference to the performance but after a while I did notice a slight improvement so I'm chuffed to bits with it.
Well, I think there is no significant difference - except for the sound. The ECU has maxed its parameters and nothing significant happens.
I am bit far - South Africa, so what I intend will take little time. The plan will be to put the HP on our DynaPack and run before and after each mod.
Compare the outputs and af's to see if it is worth the expense. Has anybody done it yet - to save me the expense?
Stages:
0. stock
1. ragazzon back box
2. BMC intake - OEM replacement filter of induction kit
3. ragazzon mod section without silencer
4. supersprint headers, decat - can not find one for HP
5. CB fast road medium cams, some head work by our local gurus - only if somebody cracks the ecu...
... or put sometihing like Perfect Power/Dastek piggy back and be over with it. That's the plan... Now this Gazzella Racing crowd, how reliable are they really? I can't jump in a car and go over to demand my stuff of money, you know...
Martin
PS.: the white panda awaits in anticipation...
The car may run a bit fluffy with a lot of tuning done to it and may even bring on the ecu warning light if the signals it receives aren't within 'normal HP' parameters - i.e. if the sensors are teling it to chuck a load more fuel in than standard, it won't like it.
ie: ineficient. The Subarus ecu does the same: when the parameters go off the map it simply goes into limp-mode. Sprays fuel, cuts timing and boost.
Originally Posted by grizzly_panda
I have the Ragazzon exhaust with the straight through centre pipe and the GSR induction kit. It sounds awesome now and at first I thought it hadn't made a difference to the performance but after a while I did notice a slight improvement so I'm chuffed to bits with it.
Well, I think there is no significant difference - except for the sound. The ECU has maxed its parameters and nothing significant happens.
I am bit far - South Africa, so what I intend will take little time. The plan will be to put the HP on our DynaPack and run before and after each mod.
Compare the outputs and af's to see if it is worth the expense. Has anybody done it yet - to save me the expense
?Stages:
0. stock
1. ragazzon back box
2. BMC intake - OEM replacement filter of induction kit
3. ragazzon mod section without silencer
4. supersprint headers, decat - can not find one for HP
5. CB fast road medium cams, some head work by our local gurus - only if somebody cracks the ecu...
... or put sometihing like Perfect Power/Dastek piggy back and be over with it. That's the plan... Now this Gazzella Racing crowd, how reliable are they really? I can't jump in a car and go over to demand my stuff of money, you know...
Martin
PS.: the white panda awaits in anticipation...
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29pgc10 said:
Can you put a piggyback on it now?
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tis why i said new new, a virgin ecu should match up with body computer ok, but at £200+ no one want to be the one to try
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29PGC10: I'll wager your fuelling will start to go off at or past part 3.
CharlieD - Yes, but it's not what you would call cheap. It has to be either spliced into the loom or a special loom made up, then there's the price of the piggyback unit itself and the dyno time to set it all up. Someone is offering a 'group buy' if morre than 10 HP owners are interested - looking in the region of £500 each.
CharlieD - Yes, but it's not what you would call cheap. It has to be either spliced into the loom or a special loom made up, then there's the price of the piggyback unit itself and the dyno time to set it all up. Someone is offering a 'group buy' if morre than 10 HP owners are interested - looking in the region of £500 each.
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Just got back from work.
The 100HP made 56kW on Dynapack chassis dyno... its about 75 horses. 25% of transmission and altitude losses - Jo'burg is some 1700m above sea level. I forgot the lambda ... .
The guys from Perfect Power are less than a km from my shop. Will try to find out how much will it cost to make a harness for their ecu just to plug into original loom. No splicing means no evidence .Than maybe you can do a group-buy though your local dealer in UK.
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The 100HP made 56kW on Dynapack chassis dyno... its about 75 horses
. 25% of transmission and altitude losses - Jo'burg is some 1700m above sea level. I forgot the lambda ... .The guys from Perfect Power are less than a km from my shop. Will try to find out how much will it cost to make a harness for their ecu just to plug into original loom. No splicing means no evidence
.Than maybe you can do a group-buy though your local dealer in UK. Martin
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Was the 75 horses at the wheels or at the flywheel power?
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At the hubs. Dynapack is a chassis dyno . One 'hangs' the car on it. Have look at www.dynapack.com
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. One 'hangs' the car on it. Have look at www.dynapack.comm.
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Was the 75 horses at the wheels or at the flywheel power?
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A bit less than expected then? Wouldnt have thought a fwd would have lost 25%????
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Yeah I wouldn't expect a 25% loss, but altitude might have contributed towards that. I'd guess 10-15% would be more accurate, although I've heard tuners in the past saying a 30% transmission loss is typical in FWD cars. Can't really understand that and I suspect they only do it to boost their guestimated flywheel figures
Still, not as bad as the Scooby I had - 251bhp at the fly but only 187bhp at the wheels
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Still, not as bad as the Scooby I had - 251bhp at the fly but only 187bhp at the wheels
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In past times some cars didn't run at all anymore above 1500m altitude. It is not that bad.
At the hubs. Dynapack is a chassis dyno
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That looks pretty good
Did you get a graph printed out with it?
I will post the graph and some pictures tomorrow.
BTW the 100HP holds one record on our dyno: The weakest car we had on it :slayer:EVER. On the other end of the scale was a racing porsche... No I don't know what did it do... It maxed the dyno on torque - over 900Nm - what caused self preservation shut down routine. 10 9 8 7 .....
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BTW the 100HP holds one record on our dyno: The weakest car we had on it :slayer:EVER. On the other end of the scale was a racing porsche... No I don't know what did it do... It maxed the dyno on torque - over 900Nm - what caused self preservation shut down routine
. 10 9 8 7 .....m
Thinking about it, it is mostly the altitude. A stock WRX with claimed output of 165kW will do between 120-130kW at the hubs: 30% less. This being 4wd ie much greater losses through transmission. But the turbo helps at this height. You guys must not look at the figures for what they are. After I will fit the intake and exhaust we will compare the gains against this base run. Percentage vise those should be fairly the same - excluding factors like humidity, ambient temperature etc. - from coast to here. Therefore you surely have more wuma, or larger horses than me.
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