hi have been reading some of your discussions on here very intesting in regards to the diesel and power increases. i was my plan to pick up one of these straight from the dealer, run it in and chip up to 100hp figure giving me anough guts to beat my girlfriend 100hp fabia tdi of the line. sorry im a guy have to have faster car than other half. but it seems that clutches and box seem to be an issue. i did wonder why they dropped the BHP on the newer panda,s so i suppose my question is how many 100hp or plus owners of the multi jets are there and is it gonna, become costly in the long run?
is there a stronger box and clutch avaliable. to say run 130bhp or does anyone know are done 1.9 conversion?

im used two driving 280bhp rear wheel drive 1750kg sports coupe u see. panda, will be a slight change

I don't think many (or any that i have heard of have done it), purely based on voiding your warranty i'm guessing. If it wasn't a warranty issue no doubt a few more would have tried it.

Maybe you'd be better off buying a quicker car to start with? Even with 100bhp its not going to set your hair alight really is it?

trackdayqueen said:

I don't think many (or any that i have heard of have done it), purely based on voiding your warranty i'm guessing. If it wasn't a warranty issue no doubt a few more would have tried it.

Maybe you'd be better off buying a quicker car to start with? Even with 100bhp its not going to set your hair alight really is it?

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this is true. but im tirering of old cars, but have a tight budget. i also drive 100hp tdi skoda fabia which is nice car and the pulling power is really quite impressive turn of the safty devices and sling it round great fun but not keen on its driving position.

generally they wouldnt pick up chip would they on serviceing?

but if the box and clutch wont take it. i might be better getting a low milage 05 and upgrading the box and clutch.

had alook around after what i have read on this site and been noiseing at the ford fiesta 1.4tdci, i know its not supposed to be as good but it is bigger and an 06 can be had for 5 and a half thou. and passenger safty is supposed to be better along with security. so im looking in that direction as well. have to find out if there drive train will take extra power

bas fiat said:

had alook around after what i have read on this site and been noiseing at the ford fiesta 1.4tdci, i know its not supposed to be as good but it is bigger and an 06 can be had for 5 and a half thou. and passenger safty is supposed to be better along with security. so im looking in that direction as well. have to find out if there drive train will take extra power

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I use a Fiesta (07) at work. It's universally disliked. The seats are uncomfortable, the engine is inflexible, my MJT will pull smoothly from 5 in 2nd, 15 in 3rd and less than 25 in 4th. The Fiesta tdci has an unpleasant vibration if you try and pull from 28 in 4th. Not much point in having a diesel if you have to keep changing down every time your speed drops by a few mph. It also only does about 40-42 around town wheras my Panda does 50-55 The Ford is also only very slightly larger inside than the FIAT. The only thing the Fiesta does better than the Panda is handle.

I looked very closely at both the Fiesta TDCi and Panda MJ, I wanted the Panda but thought the Fiesta would be that little bit more comfortable and possibly quicker. I tried to hire a Panda MJ to no avail however I did rent a Fiesta TDCi for 1 month after which I went straight out and bought a brand new Panda MJ.

I am sorry to say the Fiesta was just poo, car itself was fine but as Beard has said engine not good, very uncomfortable vibrations, inability to rev, yet constant need to rev to get anywhere. Most bizarly doesn't give usual diesel torque in expected places, felt like a magga rough petrol engine. If you can afford the later 1.6 TDCi Fiesta that is a totally different animal with a very good engine, powerful, quick, economical, but the 1.4 bears no relation other than in badging.

Anyone looking to up the BHP, could always try Fiat power train, as these are the guys that design the engines and gearboxes for all things Fiat - cars, lorrys, boats. They may come back with the ''It's what is reccomended'' answer, but may be able to supply more technical details than on the website to enable a better decision to made. I'm certainly tempted to get mine done when out of warranty.

I Have The Diesel Chipped Up To 90hp From New, No Clutch Slips Yet, Have Driven 100hp Car Not Diesel Picks Up Beter.

Chipped Mine To 90hp From 500miles Made Alot Of Difference, 300 - 320m To Tankful, Thrashed All The Time, Love This Car

Yellow Peril

This seems too good to be true. Where can i go to get some for info about the car performance parts system, and is there a board somewhere where happy/unhappy users say how they have found it.

Thanks

Adnap

adnap said:

Yellow Peril

This seems too good to be true. Where can i go to get some for info about the car performance parts system, and is there a board somewhere where happy/unhappy users say how they have found it.

Thanks

Adnap

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Found it here:

http://www.carperformancepartsuk.com/shop/prodshow/Fiat-Panda-Diesel-Tuning-Chip.html

Seems very good value at £129.99.

Sorry, I meant other than from the manufacturer. Like third party unbiassed views.

Adnap

adnap said:

Sorry, I meant other than from the manufacturer. Like third party unbiassed views.

Adnap

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I'd be interested in that too. Guess you could google for diesel tuning forums?

I've bought one of these diesel tuning boxes and yes it does what it says on the tin. The car literally flies now with massive waves of torque reminiscent of my old bmw 320d. The fitting instructions from the manufacturer are not desperately helpful - it fits into the common rail plug which is located under the engine cover on the drivers (rhd) side and not where the instructions say, and the plugs have to be trimmed to fit, but it does the job very nicely. Pulls cleanly to 100 mph with much more to come, and as my panda is a basic yellow 1.3 multijet it is a bit of a Q car. The plugs as supplied need to be trimmed with a stanley knife to make them fit snugly; the plugs are certainly not oem but do the job when trimmed. I believe the claims of 90 bhp, no clutch slipping, no engine smoking and mpg down 2 mpg but driven much more aggressively. Recommended.
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hi. sounds interesting. what about the diesel consumption?
my panda really gets problems when driving in the highway when ithe street goes a bit steeper...
thx, nick

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I've bought one of these diesel tuning boxes and yes it does what it says on the tin. The car literally flies now with massive waves of torque reminiscent of my old bmw 320d. The fitting instructions from the manufacturer are not desperately helpful - it fits into the common rail plug which is located under the engine cover on the drivers (rhd) side and not where the instructions say, and the plugs have to be trimmed to fit, but it does the job very nicely. Pulls cleanly to 100 mph with much more to come, and as my panda is a basic yellow 1.3 multijet it is a bit of a Q car. The plugs as supplied need to be trimmed with a stanley knife to make them fit snugly; the plugs are certainly not oem but do the job when trimmed. I believe the claims of 90 bhp, no clutch slipping, no engine smoking and mpg down 2 mpg but driven much more aggressively. Recommended.
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Which one did you fit?

I'm tempted to go for the cheapo option at £120 as per the link i posted.

I got the cheapo one as per the link. Took about 10d to come, wasn't a straightforward plug and play (had to trim one of the panda plugs very slightly), and it's a b*tch of a job to pull the plug from under the air filter housing to install it, but once in its worth it. Cheap way to get big turbo surges, no smoke or clutch slipping and mpg barely changed. Surprised a few people with the extra power, allows you to fight it out with the rest of the traffic on equal or better terms . If you get one and have difficulties I'll post pics (I didn't get any response from the supplier to emails or phone calls).

Derrin said:

I got the cheapo one as per the link. Took about 10d to come, wasn't a straightforward plug and play (had to trim one of the panda plugs very slightly), and it's a b*tch of a job to pull the plug from under the air filter housing to install it, but once in its worth it. Cheap way to get big turbo surges, no smoke or clutch slipping and mpg barely changed. Surprised a few people with the extra power, allows you to fight it out with the rest of the traffic on equal or better terms . If you get one and have difficulties I'll post pics (I didn't get any response from the supplier to emails or phone calls).

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Cool. Am defo going to get one. Cheers again for the offer of pics when it comes to the install.

To be fair my partner and i are experienced at bearding (bearding denotes working on cars), he's also an electronics expert and has stated that he must take it apart when i get it to check it isn't just a resistor(!), so hopefully we'll be okay.

The guy who does the MoT on my old car runs a diesel repair workshop. He told me to avoid these 'chip tuning' units. Apparently all they are is a resistor which wires in series with the fuel pressure sensor (which is in the fuel supply rail for the injectors). This alters the reading from the sensor and fools the engine management into thinking that the fuel pressure is lower than it actually is. It compensates by increasing the fuel pressure - so a greater volume of fuel is injected when the injectors are opened.
My guy reckons this can be harmful and he has seen motors where the extra-high pressure has burst the fuel rail or damaged the pump.

As an aside, there is no way I would want 100bhp from my Multijet. Quite apart from the poor handling (not really up to keeping 100bhp on the road) my Panda has had a gearbox rebuild - the gearbox can barely handle 75bhp. The technician who rebuilt it (Fiat dealer) let slip that he had done 'quite a few'

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Quite apart from the poor handling (not really up to keeping 100bhp on the road)

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Not sure I agree with that statement - how are the power and handling related?

Chris