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Has anyone put steel wheels on their Cross - if so what did you use -I’m waiting for Fiat technical to confirm what they recommend
Technical Winter wheels for Panda Cross 4 x 4
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Technical Winter wheels for Panda Cross 4 x 4
Check the handbook it should be listed there
I know all the wheel sizes for my tipo are listed
This is from the handbook so should be right:
Why would you want to? The standard wheels on the Cross (the 'real' 4x4 Cross, not the various City Cross variants) are rust-resisting alloy (rather than rust-attracting steel), and come from the factory with all season tyres that have the symbol on them meaning the are accepted as true snow tyres in countries that need them by law (eg the Alps in Winter). And the 'approved' wheels for the Cross (steel or alloy) are all the same size, as shown in the list from the handbook in the previous post above)
I could understand the question if swapping from summer tyres to winter ones and preferring to use two sets of wheels rather than changing the tyres between rims.
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Unfortunately that’s the issue - I got a new Cross 4x4 in November, expecting it to have M&S tyres on as per configurator/marketing blurb. The car came with summer tyres. I only spotted this when I was checking the tyre pressures in early Jan (naive). I’ve queried with dealer and raised an issue with Fiat Customer Care - 6 weeks later all I can get is “it’s with the UK Product Manager” despite weekly calls. Not very satisfactory
Ah ha - that would explain it! Good luck on that quest. The U.K. price list has clearly stated ‘summer tyres’ for some time now, even though the website says otherwise.
There are plenty of places online you can put your current tyre size in and the planned size of the steel wheel and it will spit out a tyre spec for your car.
to be honest any old set of Punto or panda 14/15inch steel wheels would do and fit the tyres to keep the same rolling circumference.
The other thing about alloys in the summer is road salt can still attack the paint on the wheels and alloy does corrode, therefore many people prefer a cheaper steel wheel for use in the winter months.
to be honest any old set of Punto or panda 14/15inch steel wheels would do and fit the tyres to keep the same rolling circumference.
The other thing about alloys in the summer is road salt can still attack the paint on the wheels and alloy does corrode, therefore many people prefer a cheaper steel wheel for use in the winter months.
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I didn’t go anywhere near a price list when I bought it - who does? I just asked for the best price. It’s not unrealistic to expect the car configurator to give the correct spec is it? What’s the point of a 4x4 with summer tyres? I do a good deal of country sports and wanted the car for its off-road capability. It’s a cracking car other than the current tyres
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You’re right of course... except, as mentioned in another thread or two about similar issues, the website carries a clear disclaimer that specs shown there may not match specs delivered as it may not accurately portray options in each market. The U.K. price list is where the definitive specs are shown and are binding. Even then, there have been errors, such as mis-quoting the engine power.
Shame -as you say, cracking car otherwise. I have the ‘regular’ (non-Cross) 4x4 with MJ engine. Same off road kit as the Cross (but £1500 cheaper) , and it came with ‘full’ winter tyres too. Brilliant little thing.
Shame -as you say, cracking car otherwise. I have the ‘regular’ (non-Cross) 4x4 with MJ engine. Same off road kit as the Cross (but £1500 cheaper) , and it came with ‘full’ winter tyres too. Brilliant little thing.
Mine new on the 5th had summer tyres as expected. Was at same dealer yesterday (14th) and there was same car (4x4 Cross) awaiting handover with All Season tyres, Goodyear Vectors. That said so far the summers on mine have been good off road.
Summer tyres not great in wet mud. The 'all seasons' of the Cross will be better, and the full 'winters' of the regular 4x4 the best (the tyres on the 4x4 are called CrossContact winter - a winter-grade SUV semi off-road tyre and are great in thick mud)
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Thanks I know what different sorts of tyres are. All of the pandas are now listed with summers.
If i would have a Cross 4x4, i would stil choose 16", summer and winter, like i have with my 85 Lounge. 
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Have just put a set of Michelin Alpins on my Waze 4x4 and swapped the summer tyres onto alloy wheels. Subjectively I would say the Michelin tyres are superior to the Continentals on my previous 4x4 although not tried in snow yet.
If you have a Cross I would check the engine is actually a 90HP as since 2018 I believe the 90HP was not used by Fiat. This they have finally more or less admitted in writing and issued an apology. Should it be the case on your car as on mine do as I did and let Fiat provide the wheels you require in compensation for their 'mistake'..... FOC.
If you have a Cross I would check the engine is actually a 90HP as since 2018 I believe the 90HP was not used by Fiat. This they have finally more or less admitted in writing and issued an apology. Should it be the case on your car as on mine do as I did and let Fiat provide the wheels you require in compensation for their 'mistake'..... FOC.
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Up to now I’ve not bothered with the engine capacity , as I was expecting to receive an 85hp - but based on a previous comment which advised that the price list was the definitive spec, I went and had a look at the Oct 2019 price list- Guess what - it shows the Cross 4x4 as a 90hp. Based on the engine serial number it’s a 85hp. One more issue for Customer Service
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They claim the oversight is due to human error, and was entirely a mistake in advertising. The fact that they issued at least one very detailed press release, stating its 90HP and told the 4x4 magazine that gave the 90HP Panda Cross its top award in its price bracket and told its dealers they had received an order for a 90HP car in my case then built a 90HP car and consigned a 90HP car to my dealer.... then they showed my car on the myFiat web site as 90HP stinks of fraud I think. I cannot conceive of this being human error. They have clearly also been deceiving the people who bought the Panda Cross top of the range version too. It all beggars belief.
I demanded and got a free set of Alloy wheels as the waze comes without these. I still feel somewhat that they got away scott free.. My original position was that 8/90 of the price was the absolute MINIMUM I would accept I was told by Fiat customer services as the price of putting matters right just got me to a position of having what I paid for. It did nothing to compensate for being mis-sold the car in the first place.
Any new car purchaser affected is entitled to their money back. I have this from National Trading Standards who offered to support if nothing had been forthcoming.. It was indeed them who suggested a criminal offence might have been committed. That is what I should have insisted on I could then have bought a new car for less as prices have dropped and kept the change. This would inconvenience Fiat more and cause more waves.
I suggest you tell them you want £2000 as you have not got the car you should have and see what they say.
Problem is your legal dispute is with your dealer and Fiat do EVERYTHING they can to make the dealer pay for their shoddy actions. In my case I like the dealer and want to retain a relationship with them, so I went for goods which I wanted anyway to reduced their loss.
I have raised the issue with the head of PSA and pointed out that if a Europe wide issue was established it could well cost PSA/Fiat up to £15,000,000 euros to compensate all the owners concerned.
Its very clear they still intend to cover up this disgraceful matter at all costs.
Their attitude and refusal to contact affected owners, suggests that I will end up presenting all the facts I have uncovered to the Fraud Unit at Scotland Yard as I don't accept the human error explanation and think its more than scandalous that they have not taken steps to address this issue apart from correcting the current advertising.
If I ever meet the head of Fiat UK he will need to duck VERY quickly to avoid an unintentional human error in the control of my foot! I would never intentionally kick anyone but human errors do happen! Its just one of those things and of course I would abjectly apologise for my foot....
I sincerely hope you and all other affected owners will demand compensation from these extremely cavalier people.
Comparing the various models and specifications it seems a reasonable reimbursement of £1500-2000 would be reasonable and then there is compensation for disappointment, likely end of ownership depreciation and loss of amenity hence I suggest £2000. I suspect this being reasonable they will not wish to go to court and will settle around this level.
Good luck
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Its getting pretty accurate now!
But as you say how difficult is it get this right. I offered to correct it all for them free of charge nearly a year ago but they decided to just go right on misleading customers. That they say is human error. I think otherwise. It must be great charging for the top spec engine and not supplying it. Laughing all the way to the bank. As HertsHillHopper has pointed out on many occasions their information is often inaccurate on every level.
I think the press release referring to 90hp was OK - the 'true' Cross model was sold with a 90hp petrol when introduced, when all the other TAs were 85, and also it could be had 95hp diesel when others only had 90. But to continue to claim that after it changed (in July-ish 2018?) was clearly not right.
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Good point, except that the 90HP engine seems to have been withdrawn before the press release date. I might just give them that one. I should probably just let it go but their level of corporate arrogance incenses me.
To be fair, most car manufactures' websites have inaccuracies – the joys of international businesses having models with different specs for different markets, and specs which change frequently too.
Just look up the 4x4 Panda in Fiat's sites in the UK, France, the Netherlands, Germany, and of course, Italy – ostensibly the same car, but each market has different combinations of trim: some get alloys - some steel, coloured door mirrors or black, cloth trim or 'eco leather', in some cases not even a radio, let alone bluetooth... and until very recently, different engine combinations too including three different versions of the TwinAir.
As I have also pointed out before, Fiat (and all other car makers) do make it very clear in their disclaimers that what is shown on the website or in brochures may not match what is sold in dealers. Even the price list, which generally has been more correct, carries this disclaimer (and, incidentally, still lists Panda Cross 4x4 85hp as having a 90hp engine!).
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