Brigodee said:

Hi Motorcyclist or Colin. Is this of interest to you?
Fuchs TITAN GT1 XTL 5W-40 Synthetic Engine Oil

My FIAT dealer sold me 5L for my last Panda so it should be O.K. You can read about it on the Opie Oil website. Please post what you think about this.

Fergus.

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Thanks Brigodee, but my TA requires 0-30 C2 As far as I am aware 5-40 is for earlier engines
Thanks for the thought though

PS Is Brigodee for the Bridge over the river Dee?
Cheers Colin

Sorry for the delay in replying. Yes Colin "Brigodee" is Bridge Of Dee in Scottish dialect.

My vehicle is a 2016 Panda Pop (recently acquired and already much loved, but yet to be named), so uses synthetic 5W-40. I didn't spot your Panda is a 4 x 4, but Fuchs probably do an oil for it also.

I have wondered for many years if things are as critical, oil-wise, as seems to be believed currently.

Excluding very high performance, air cooled, turbo and other unusual type engines surely most engines are a simple cast iron block with big holes in it, fitted with alloy pistons and with a cast iron or alloy head. Even the running temperatures and rpm ranges being broadly similar.

This may be slightly over simplified, but just how many varieties of oil are really necessary?

Brigodee said:

Sorry for the delay in replying. Yes Colin "Brigodee" is Bridge Of Dee in Scottish dialect.

My vehicle is a 2016 Panda Pop (recently acquired and already much loved, but yet to be named), so uses synthetic 5W-40. I didn't spot your Panda is a 4 x 4, but Fuchs probably do an oil for it also.

I have wondered for many years if things are as critical, oil-wise, as seems to be believed currently.

Excluding very high performance, air cooled, turbo and other unusual type engines surely most engines are a simple cast iron block with big holes in it, fitted with alloy pistons and with a cast iron or alloy head. Even the running temperatures and rpm ranges being broadly similar.

This may be slightly over simplified, but just how many varieties of oil are really necessary?

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Twin air and multiair engine's use the oil as hydraulic fluid essentially to operate the Inlet valves through the twinair,/multiair actuators
Hence when some people area bit wary using other oils

Brigodee said:

Sorry for the delay in replying. Yes Colin "Brigodee" is Bridge Of Dee in Scottish dialect.

Excluding very high performance, air cooled, turbo and other unusual type engines surely most engines are a simple cast iron block with big holes in it, fitted with alloy pistons and with a cast iron or alloy head. Even the running temperatures and rpm ranges being broadly similar.

This may be slightly over simplified, but just how many varieties of oil are really necessary?

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thanks Fergus

The Twinairs are 'novel' in 3 ways :

Its not 4 cyl

Its using oil to inject its stoichiometric mix

Its also got a turbo (in most markets..)

Thats why mine is SELENIA specific so far..

But reading an old MULTIAIR thread..
the Petronas oil company make the same oil .. branded differently for 'non.fiat' use

Syntium - IIRC

Charlie

varesecrazy said:

thanks Fergus

The Twinairs are 'novel' in 3 ways :

Its not 4 cyl

Its using oil to inject its stoichiometric mix

Its also got a turbo (in most markets..)

Thats why mine is SELENIA specific so far..

But reading an old MULTIAIR thread..
the Petronas oil company make the same oil .. branded differently for 'non.fiat' use

Syntium - IIRC

Charlie

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Petronas make the same oil, because they own Selenia (which they bought from Fiat Lubricants)...

If I remember correctly my early Cavaliers had hydraulic tappets and the grade of oil was important, but not the manufacturer.

How is the engine oil used to determine the stoichiometric mix? Is it because of its hydraulic properties?

Brigodee said:

If I remember correctly my early Cavaliers had hydraulic tappets and the grade of oil was important, but not the manufacturer.

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The uniair system is not hydraulic tappets


It it's a fully variable intake valve system that uses the intake valves the variy the ammout of air entering the cylinder by altering both intake valve opening time and ammout it can also open and close the valve's multiple times per cycle I believe
The engine don't use a normal throttle body to control air flow
There some more complicated information on here about the system

http://schaeffler-events.com/symposium/lecture/e2/index.html

Brigodee said:

Hi Motorcyclist or Colin. Is this of interest to you?
Fuchs TITAN GT1 XTL 5W-40 Synthetic Engine Oil

My FIAT dealer sold me 5L for my last Panda so it should be O.K. You can read about it on the Opie Oil website. Please post what you think about this.

Fergus.

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Both my Panda 1.2 Dynamic Eco and my boy's Punto 1.4 easy run on this Fuchs oil. Both engines are the "old" FIRE engines (Punto has a VVT cam pulley). Been running on it for over two years now - Both cars now on their second fills and running nicely.

I also changed my Ibiza (small capacity, highly stressed, 3 cylinder turbo petrol engine) to the appropriate Fuchs brand and it too seems very happy. Interesting, perhaps? that Fuchs now supply TPS (VW genuine parts supplier) with their "own" Quantum branded oils.

So, match up the recommended oil grade via the Fuchs oil finder and buy with confidence. (I find Opie and Powerenhancer are two on line suppliers who often have very good ebay deals - beating the prices they quote on their online sites. And they are two suppliers you can trust for quality and "well in date" product)

If you're interested in oils the "oilem" site (which is, I think, allied to Powerenhancer? has some very interesting articles to read. The American site "Bob is the oil guy" might also distract you for a while.

Lubricants are a vast subject with lots of "smoke and mirrors" to distract and confuse. I'm 73 years old and have toiled to understand it all my life. No doubt I'll go to my grave still with many unanswered questions. I think the safest approach to take though is to find an oil with the manufacturers specification written on the tin - 9.55535/S2 for our FIRE engines.

Herts Hillhopper said:

Petronas make the same oil, because they own Selenia (which they bought from Fiat Lubricants)...

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Perhaps why Shop4parts supply the Petronas product as well as the branded Selenia?

Thanks for the link chris. I've been meaning to look into this in greater detail for some time and this looks like a good place to start. I understand it's basic principal of operating the valves hydraulically and being able to infinitely variably vary the duration and lift but didn't know the fine detail. Don't think I'll ever buy one though - looks too complicated for an everyday driver to me.

I find the Honda i-Vtec engines with their ability to reduce pumping losses and the innovative way the throttle butterfly is used to be very interesting also - very nearly bought a Civic 1.8 i-Vtec estate instead of the Ibiza back in '16 but Mrs J couldn't find a cumfy driving position.

Thanks Jock, I like the Opie price for this oil and will check out the Powerenhancer website.

I ran a Reliant Scimitar GTE (SE5A), around the North West Highlands in the mid seventies, doing around 50,000 miles per year. Such a vast area. The journeys were measured in hours rather than miles. Oil changes then were every five or six weeks, plus a set of shockers every year and tyres twice a year.

Fergus.

Thanks for the link Chris, I'll read it tonight.

Brigodee said:

I ran a Reliant Scimitar GTE (SE5A)
Fergus.

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Hi Fergus. I always thought the SE5 was by far the best looking version. I never thought all that much of the Ford V6 and entertained delusions of buying one and trying to fit a Rover 3.5 under the bonnet but marriage, children and common sense put paid to that plan.

When I went to work for Firestone in the very early 70's one of the department heads ran a Scimitar saloon which I always thought was a bonny car. About 18 months later he suddenly turned up in a Gilbern Invader. I rather liked my Triumph Vitesse but it couldn't hold a candle to the Gilbern.

All the best
Jock

Herts Hillhopper said:

Petronas make the same oil, because they own Selenia (which they bought from Fiat Lubricants)...

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To add to this earlier comment, more on the sale of FL to Petronas in 2007. Also interesting to note Fiat sold FL many years ago (1976), so not really Fiat for decades. https://pubs.lubesngreases.com/lube-report/petronas-acquires-italys-fl-selenia/