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Quote Originally Posted by varesecrazy View Post

The panda will have driven 5 to 150 miles before sale
'odometer reset at point of sale' legally!
are you sure about that?

I've not bought a brand new Fiat, but other New cars I have had never have 0 miles. My golf had 17 and the Minis have around 20 on them.

My golf was made in Osnabruck in germany (at the Karma Ghia factory) its then driven onto a train and moved to the german coast (emden) for shipping to the UK they move the cars around massive car parks there, they also drive them onto the ship and off again at the other end. they come into different UK ports but they are again stored in huge car parks, moved around as required and eventualy put on a truck to deliver to the local dealership.

All in all 17 miles on my golf when I got it, very likely coincides with the mileage you'd expect to see from the moment it left the production line.

As I said I have no experiance with brand new fiats, do they really come with zero on the clock?
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Back when speedometers were occasionally unreliable, I've seen new replacements, straight from the parts box, with 3-5 miles showing. Shows its been tested. So likely to have some miles before fitting to the vehicle.

I understand that from the factory, there is a 'T' on the display. The dealer resets it to zero, and the 'T' disappears.
Whilst moved around storage facilities, miles will be low, as the Golf mentioned. Mileages higher than 20 suggest a vehicle driven between dealers.
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Mileages higher than 20 suggest a vehicle driven between dealers.
Normally Iíd agree in the midlands or up north maybe, round here in the rural east itís generally much more than 20 miles between dealerships, also brand new unregistered cars are not legal to be used on the road even on trade plates, so in the instance of the mini I have no problem believing itís what it done in various depots and on its way out of the factory, as it was a group stock car and not a ordered car the build date is a couple of months before it was registered.
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are you sure about that?

I've not bought a brand new Fiat, but other New cars I have had never have 0 miles. My golf had 17 and the Minis have around 20 on them. ...

As I said I have no experiance with brand new fiats, do they really come with zero on the clock?
When the dealer receives a 'new' Fiat from the factory, the odometer will indeed show some miles accumulated by being moved around between the factory, transporters, dealer sites etc. But, there is a capital 'H' before the numbers that shows it to be in 'factory mode' (not sure what 'H' actually stands for...). During the PDI inspection, the dealer will cancel the 'H' mode, which will reset the odometer to zero.
Often, as was the case with my car, this then results in the value shown on 'Trip A' as being more than the total shown by the odometer, as cancelling the 'H" mode doesn't reset the separate trip counter. Mine differed by about 12 miles.
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The oil saga continues. As previously mentioned another branch of the dealer who sold me the car (New Panda 4x4 TA) sold me Helix Ultra as a top up oil, in June 2018. In December 2019 the same branch sold me Castrol Magnatec as a top up oil, because they had changed from Helix Ultra. (as an aside, the December invoice showed Helix Ultra, despite the fact they supplied Castrol Magnatec. I failed to spot that at the time) It took a couple of weeks and a bit of prodding to supply the information, but,.
I have now got a (?) definitive answer from the original dealer that "currently only" Selenia Digitek oil is used. Their email was a bit ambiguous around the expression "current" in relation to the oil they supplied in2018 in my new car.
I have now contacted the original selling dealer branch with this information that their other branches are selling oil that (selling branch) don't recommend.
I have copied in the Managing Director Aftersales, and asked, inter alia,what they are going to do to resolve/rectify this situation
The car is now 20 months old but has only done 6400 odd miles. I will wait and see what they come up with as a solution, but I think at the very least I will require a written confirmation that no damage has been done and a free oil change now to Digitek
We shall see.
I bought a new Fiat 500X a few years ago from an entirely different dealer in Yorkshire and their PDI and after sales "service" (ha ha!) was appalling. It took me 10 months to get them to supply the radio aerial they had forgotten to fit, among other problems.
I love the Panda, and my wife had a great little Seicento, but Fiat dealers, so far have been anything but impressive
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If the Shell Oil was Helix Ultra ECT C2/C3 would have been on label I think that Fiat recognise meets their spec or similar. My TA 4x4 next month having 4th oil change of 0w 30 C3. Oil supplied by oil company that owns EK's. Car been faultless. Don't suggest anyone follows my lead. If my uniair unit dies it serves me right. But I don't expect it to.
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If the Shell Oil supplied by oil company that owns EK's.
EK?
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Hope your car IS OK.
My real point is one branch of Dealer is saying We don't recommend anything but Selenia, and other branches of the same dealer is selling a variety of other oils.
Doesn't fill me with confidence that "Dealer man speak with forked tongue"
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One dealer could be specifically fiat or holding up the fiat brand like a beacon the reason being they are all basically franchise owners so each will have their different ways to please the mother company i,e, Fiat.

Others may have been in business with fiat a long time, they may recognise there is no benefit to the specific fiat recommended oils, or have deals with other companies either way when it comes to oil itís unlikely that fiat say they have to use their own and if you went in the workshop youíd find some large 200litre barrels of castrol that gets used for all cars during dealer services.

You donít need to get hung up on the make it just had to confirm to the recommended requirements
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I must have missed something as despite reading all the posts I have failed to understand your query. Your car is 20 months old and at 6400 miles and still running on its original factory oil with a small amount of top up that you bought and put in yourself.

Why would you send a letter to the dealer asking for written confirmation you haven't damaged your engine by you putting this oil in and wanting them to do a free oil change?

Either way it's due an oil change soon, and running fine I presume so I'd just change it then. Your mileage is so low that I wouldn't worry, the rest of the car is likely to fail with age before the engine gives out.
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Don't know if message in book pack still that if do less than 10k km a year (6,250 miles?) It's advised to have the oil changed. I change mine religiously for peace of mind and because in summer it gets seriously hot and probably not warm enough the rest of the year. Plus used 7 days a week in all weathers. Whereas your situation different.
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Disposal of used engine oil is an environmentally challenging issue. So much so that all car makers, and all oil brands, now do their best to avoid unnecessary changes. The 18,000 mile oil change is there for that reason. The reason for an early (in miles) change for low use cars is because of the potential of condensation affecting the oil. But actually, much of the rest a car is adversely affected by such low use, not just the oil - so changing oil Ďtoo sooní is not guaranteeing the rest of the car is in good order. It does add to oil companiesí profits though.
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Iíve commented here before with this answer... a car maker is no longer allowed to specify a *brand* of oil to use, only the specification. My Volvo has an engine made by Ford//Peugeot/Citroen in a shared facility. Each of those car maker quotes their Ďrecommendedí brand of oil to use in their models, but they recommend different brands even though the engines the same. By the same token, my dishwasher Ďrecommendsí a particular brand of wash tablet... it gets whateverís on offer in the supermarket at the time and seems happy with it
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Disposal of used engine oil is an environmentally challenging issue.
There is a whole recycling industry been established for many years. When I started in the trade, 1972, the garage would put its waste oil into a large tank that was emptied and taken away when needed by a tanker, and taken to a recycling facility.

There is one such facility in the Midlands that I have had the benefit of visiting. It is like a mini refinery. Waste oil is processed to separate it from water/coolant, brake fluid and any other contaminants, which are processed separately. Then the additives are stripped out and the oil cleaned and filtered to create new base stock. (It is a bit more involved than my brief description). Then the base stock can be sold out to oil companies as is, or new additive packages added to create oils for clients.

It is the additives that wear out, the base oil is significantly longer-lived and can be used over again. Most of our 'new' oil we've been buying for many years has used a significant amount of this recycled base stock.
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