AndyRKett said:

I’d still take a late model 1.3 multijet 4x4 from about 2017/18 when they stopped using the multijet entirely just for the diesel torque and 4x4 combo but yes the other engines are pretty under powered, even 85hp is not a lot when you consider years ago we used to have say a 1.6 mk1 Focus with maybe 100hp in a car which weighed probably about the same as a modern panda.

My current punto weight about the same if not more than my 90s Ford Mondeo, actually I think the current panda is probably about the same length as the old mk1 Punto. Certainly cars have gotten a lot bigger and heavier but the hp hasn’t kept up with the weight gain

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