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Posts: 3,017 Thanks: 64 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Arguments for and against the TwinAir I've always preferred the notion of the 1.2 petrol. Sure, it's slow and old but it's reliable and easy to keep right. Now, I'm opting for a 1.2 Easy but my backup is a more expensive 0.9 TwinAir... The engine is the only reason I'm avoiding it. But just so I can decide with the facts (and opinions of you owners), I wanted to post my list of pros and cons, and if you can correct or educate me on it and potentially change my mind, I'm open to that too.. 1.2 FIRE Pros - Reliable - Easy to maintain - Smooth - Quieter - Four cylinders - Still produced (sign of superiority?) Cons - Old - Slower - Has a flat spot - Less powerful (69hp) TwinAir Engine Pros - Faster - Newer technology - Sounds great Cons - Always being hammered - Noisy! - Worse fuel consumption - Discontinued - Can't hack cruising at 70mph as well (?) - More complex to fix with its turbo system - Reduced longevity of less cylinders / more power throughput Am I about right or missing something here?
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Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Belfast
Posts: 3,698 Thanks: 135 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir Twinair is definitely worse fuel consumption and definitely noisy. I really wanted to like it, but I couldn't find its redeeming features at all. That's the reason I no longer drive a Panda. I'd stick with what you know and like. That's what I did with my Multijet Mito and I'm really glad I did.
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Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Endmoor
Posts: 988 Thanks: 64 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir 1.2 super quiet and very reliable. And super economical. I wouldn't have another as nowhere near fast or fun enough. In comparison, the Twin Air goes like a stabbed rat. Economy awful. Though I don't care. It is quiet at 70 though. Lane changes a doddle.
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Posts: 3,482 Thanks: 163 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir I've always preferred the notion of the 1.2 petrol. Sure, it's slow and old but it's reliable and easy to keep right. Now, I'm opting for a 1.2 Easy but my backup is a more expensive 0.9 TwinAir... The engine is the only reason I'm avoiding it. But just so I can decide with the facts (and opinions of you owners), I wanted to post my list of pros and cons, and if you can correct or educate me on it and potentially change my mind, I'm open to that too.. 1.2 FIRE Pros - Reliable - Easy to maintain - Smooth - Quieter - Four cylinders - Still produced (sign of superiority?) Cons - Old - Slower - Has a flat spot - Less powerful (69hp) TwinAir Engine Pros - Faster - Newer technology - Sounds great Cons - Always being hammered - Noisy! - Worse fuel consumption - Discontinued - Can't hack cruising at 70mph as well (?) - More complex to fix with its turbo system - Reduced longevity of less cylinders / more power throughput Am I about right or missing something here?
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Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 51 Thanks: 4 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir I've just traded my 1.2 in for a twinair. I love it. I love the noise but more than anything the difference in power is so marked. I couldn't go back to a 1.2 now. If you like a bit more oomph the twin air is better but if power isn't your thing a 1.2 is fine.
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Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 233 Thanks: 19 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir I wanted a 4x4 so my choice was, err there was no choice, so got a TA. Love it, but only done about 5000
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 354 Thanks: 23 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir £15 to £20 for a oil filter on the TA soon comes off boost ,gear change indecator totaly wrong.I guess i have had my time with TwinAir...
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Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 233 Thanks: 19 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir I am asking because I got a 4x4 TA last year and have not done many miles in it. It is unlike any other car I have ever owned, and I actually like it a great deal,BUT am I always going to like it? Hasd anyone out there done a huge mileage in a TA, without (or indeed "with") any, or many problems?
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 354 Thanks: 23 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir I have self serviced 3 times over three years 46620 on the clock.Going to change coolant tank because small leak mine is a early 12 reg so has the cooper insert on the turbo coolant feed apart from 3 tyres Toyo T1R on front and a eco on the back.I have transfered owner ship to my daughter who learned to drive in it.Then went on to pass ..She found that 3rd gear was all she needed fof a round town..change to fourth at 30 and pop pop bang pop bang and a dead throttle so back up to 3rd....I have a C4 Cactus Flair 1.2 3 cyclinder pure tec..not the quickest thing but soooo smooth.
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Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Endmoor
Posts: 988 Thanks: 64 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir @SB1500 if we're just talking about the Twinair engine, @rallycinq had a pretty long lasting 500, and @The Panda Nut knew of a high mile 500 via friend of his daughter. I'd expect the engine to last long enough for most people. It is true that cars better built and more reliable than they've ever been. Though if read "Honest John" as I do, it's easy to think the opposite...... ![]()
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Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Devon and Umbria
Posts: 2,140 Thanks: 212 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir Is there anything else you dislike about the TA, and what are you likely to replace it with? How many miles, overall have you done with a TA.? I am asking because I got a 4x4 TA last year and have not done many miles in it. It is unlike any other car I have ever owned, and I actually like it a great deal,BUT am I always going to like it? Hasd anyone out there done a huge mileage in a TA, without (or indeed "with") any, or many problems?
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Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Beccles, Suffolk
Posts: 2,672 Thanks: 227 Trader Rating: 0 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir TA seems to get quieter, the faster you go. Did a round trip from Suffolk to Heathrow and back today, and cruising at 70+ it was in its element, with plenty in reserve for the odd burst to avoid the idiots around me. It's noticeable how the fuel consumption nosedives above 60.
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Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: East
Posts: 1,989 Thanks: 106 Trader Rating: 1 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir I have self serviced 3 times over three years 46620 on the clock.Going to change coolant tank because small leak mine is a early 12 reg so has the cooper insert on the turbo coolant feed apart from 3 tyres Toyo T1R on front and a eco on the back.I have transfered owner ship to my daughter who learned to drive in it.Then went on to pass ..She found that 3rd gear was all she needed fof a round town..change to fourth at 30 and pop pop bang pop bang and a dead throttle so back up to 3rd....I have a C4 Cactus Flair 1.2 3 cyclinder pure tec..not the quickest thing but soooo smooth.
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Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: East
Posts: 1,989 Thanks: 106 Trader Rating: 1 ![]() | Re: Arguments for and against the TwinAir Agree with a lot of what you say, but the twin air is quite capable of cruising stress free at 90 let alone 70mph. The big con is it does this so easily it would be easy to get done for speeding! The old 500 with its little 675 or thereabouts engine developed a fine reputation for reliability so the twin air should be OK if its serviced. My last one did 18000 miles and the only issue was the clutch master cylinder. I think that was just a one off spring failure so not really relevant. Basically Fiat have been around a long time and they do know how to build a decent engine.
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Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Devon and Umbria
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