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Re: 85 or 90 HP which have you got??

@The Panda Nut book a session on a rolling road. That'll tell you how much power it has.
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Re: 85 or 90 HP which have you got??

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@The Panda Nut book a session on a rolling road. That'll tell you how much power it has.
Thats exactly what I am intending to do. I think its just the wrong power quoted by Fiat to DVLA but I want it corrected or some money back as I ordered on the basis of 90hp not 85. I am going to see what Fiat have to say first though. I hope it can be resolved.

The bad information Fiat publish is frankly astonishing. I am going to write to the ASA and complain about the misinformation if I have been stitched up with with less than I paid for.

The V5 says its 62kW not the 66 it should be and clearly other people logbooks are the same. Its not 90HP anyway its only just 87 so the adverts are misleading anyway. At best this is not good customer service.
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Thats exactly what I am intending to do. I think its just the wrong power quoted by Fiat to DVLA but I want it corrected or some money back as I ordered on the basis of 90hp not 85. I am going to see what Fiat have to say first though. I hope it can be resolved.

The bad information Fiat publish is frankly astonishing. I am going to write to the ASA and complain about the misinformation if I have been stitched up with with less than I paid for.

The V5 says its 62kW not the 66 it should be and clearly other people logbooks are the same. Its not 90HP anyway its only just 87 so the adverts are misleading anyway. At best this is not good customer service.
Just bear in mind that the 4x4 system requires all four wheel to turn at the same time, so a dyno will need to allow for this - otherwise serious damage likely.
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Re: 85 or 90 HP which have you got??

You may well find the answer is printed in the boot of the car. On the VIN plate (inside the right hand side of the boot under the mat), it identifies the engine type on the 8th row down:

If it says 312A2000 then it is the 85PS/62.5kW motor
If it says 312A7000, then it is the more powerful 90PS/66.2kW version.
Curiously, in both cases, the torque is quoted as being the same 145Nm

(as described in the owner's handbook - in my case on page 153. It also shows it to be 'EEC HP' - or PS – not UK HP)
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Re: 85 or 90 HP which have you got??

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For what it is worth: I really suspect it will make no difference either to the insurance, or to the selling of the car later on... likely that most/every Waze 4x4 TA is 'wrong' but who can tell, and how? No other country in Europe now gets a Panda with the TA engine at all, and I suspect they are clearing stocks. And although the V5 may say 62kW, that's only based on data supplied to them by Fiat - so it may well be wrong, and may be higher... how would/could you tell?
Mine, where it says I have a different model on the V5 (it says mine's a Panda Cross, not the 'plain' 4x4 that it actually is) may be worth having corrected... and again is from data supplied to DVLA by Fiat... but I'm in no rush to do that. For now, I am content to just enjoy my car for what it is: the best little 4x4 out there!
As to 'My Fiat', that is only transferred into the website from the purchase order details - so will match that, by definition, even if wrong. One of the Mopar sites, if i put in my VIN number, says may car is orange. Its green.
Ah but when it rusts it will have orange patches! .... and I hope he doesnt hear you calling him plain, it might be offended and come out in spots! I will eventually get the V5 corrected as a matter of principle. Its time Fiat got their information system together, I am sure some people would be put off by such confusion. Personally I think the TA is very well suited to the car and would be fine off road too so European s loose out. They probably wouldn't put up with the poor fuel consumption and high emissions over there. I am still very pleased with Noop apart from the summer tyres. I suppose the extra m's per g far outweigh the few times I will need extra grip. Even my youngest has decided there is something she cant identify that makes her enjoy her Panda more than she expected to. The problem is she has tried the TA and has her eyes on it! She likes the big step up in power from the little 1.2
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Re: 85 or 90 HP which have you got??

For what it is worth: my TA Cross was delivered in December, as being a 90hp car. Just checked car documents: listed as 62,5kW, and not 66kW...

I'll have a look at the VIN plate tomorrow in daylight, and have a word with the garage
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Ah but when it rusts it will have orange patches! .... and I hope he doesnt hear you calling him plain, it might be offended and come out in spots! I will eventually get the V5 corrected as a matter of principle. Its time Fiat got their information system together, I am sure some people would be put off by such confusion. Personally I think the TA is very well suited to the car and would be fine off road too so European s loose out. They probably wouldn't put up with the poor fuel consumption and high emissions over there. I am still very pleased with Noop apart from the summer tyres. I suppose the extra m's per g far outweigh the few times I will need extra grip. Even my youngest has decided there is something she cant identify that makes her enjoy her Panda more than she expected to. The problem is she has tried the TA and has her eyes on it! She likes the big step up in power from the little 1.2
Hee hee... on looking again more closely, I see it says my car is green, but has 'orange interior fabrics'. But no, they are mostly green too...
Did you take a look at the VIN plate to see which engine you have?
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