General Fiat make bid to merge with Renault

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General Fiat make bid to merge with Renault

Isn't Nissan (part of Renault) making cars in the UK?

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Exactly.

Why would Renault / Nissan continue to manufacture in the UK when they can manufacture tariff and customs barrier free within existing EU factories?

We've already seen Honda plan to close Swindon on the back of a tariff free deal between Japan and the EU and Sunderland has failed to land the next generation Nissan CashCow. This is probably the end of Nissan production in the UK.
 
Exactly.

Why would Renault / Nissan continue to manufacture in the UK when they can manufacture tariff and customs barrier free within existing EU factories?

We've already seen Honda plan to close Swindon on the back of a tariff free deal between Japan and the EU and Sunderland has failed to land the next generation Nissan CashCow. This is probably the end of Nissan production in the UK.
Ah, OK, I see. However, Nissan only owns 15% of Renault... so, would end up with 'just' 7.5% of the newly merged business (according to the BBC story).
 
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I can also see a Nissan Leaf based Panda EV. :D

Unfortunately I can't.

The idea of the merger is to hit targets for cleaner vehicles, they need to hit an average of 95g CO2 per kilometer for their whole fleet by 2021.
Fiat are a long way behind making this and will face billions of euros fines when they fail.
These fines are on a sliding scale, so the closer to 95g you get, the lower the fine.

The answer they've come up with is to merge companies.
If a car company merges with another to form a new company, the "clean" models the other company sell now count against all the products in the merged companies line ups.

Fiat teamed up Tesla so it can "add" all their vehicles to the company's fleet, but you will never see a Tesla with a Fiat badge on it. The owning companies merge not the brands.

Fiat, Abarth, Renault, Dacia, Tesla, Jeep, Chrysler etc will be brands all under one company and as they have already stated they have no plans to close factories, it's a cert Renault will continue to sell the Zoe and Flatulence, Nissan the Leaf and Fiat the petrol Panda for a good while yet.

In time they might co develop new technology that all the brands might use, but that's a long way off, the plan at the moment it to sell as many vehicles as possible from a fleet with an average CO2 close to 95g per km as possible for least cost/effort.

But, if the Panda was likely to change, you'd imagine it's utilitarian style and budget status might lend it's self more to the Dacia Sandero than anything else.
The Sandero ranges from 97g to 123g of CO2
The Panda 118g to 129g of CO2.
You can see which model might nudge the CO2 level up by couple of bill fine!
 
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Unfortunately I can't.

The idea of the merger is to hit targets for cleaner vehicles, they need to hit an average of 95g CO2 per kilometer for their whole fleet by 2021.
Fiat are a long way behind making this and will face billions of euros fines when they fail.
These fines are on a sliding scale, so the closer to 95g you get, the lower the fine.

The answer they've come up with is to merge companies.
If a car company merges with another to form a new company, the "clean" models the other company sell now count against all the products in the merged companies line ups.

Fiat teamed up Tesla so it can "add" all their vehicles to the company's fleet, but you will never see a Tesla with a Fiat badge on it. The owning companies merge not the brands.

Fiat, Abarth, Renault, Dacia, Tesla, Jeep, Chrysler etc will be brands all under one company and as they have already stated they have no plans to close factories, it's a cert Renault will continue to sell the Zoe and Flatulence, Nissan the Leaf and Fiat the petrol Panda for a good while yet.

In time they might co develop new technology that all the brands might use, but that's a long way off, the plan at the moment it to sell as many vehicles as possible from a fleet with an average CO2 close to 95g per km as possible for least cost/effort.

But, if the Panda was likely to change, you'd imagine it's utilitarian style and budget status might lend it's self more to the Dacia Sandero than anything else.
The Sandero ranges from 97g to 123g of CO2
The Panda 118g to 129g of CO2.
You can see which model might nudge the CO2 level up by couple of bill fine!
Yes - I think you have hit the nail on the head there... and no change to anyone's model line ups (or where they are built) for a good few years at least.

Fiat have been 'caught out' by the new WLTP testing programme, which has shown the TwinAir to have much higher CO2 emissions than the 95g claimed under the 'old tests' -- and dropped the MJ completely from the Panda (where it was a good seller, especially in the 4x4s) and 500 (where it only accounted for 4% of the sales) because it too was 'dirtier' than previously claimed.

A few years back, Aston Martin made a 'badged' version of Toyota's (curious) IQ car - for exactly the same reason, so they could reduce their overall CO2 emissions levels.
 
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Unfortunately I can't.

The idea of the merger is to hit targets for cleaner vehicles, ....

But, if the Panda was likely to change, you'd imagine it's utilitarian style and budget status might lend it's self more to the Dacia Sandero than anything else.
The Sandero ranges from 97g to 123g of CO2
The Panda 118g to 129g of CO2.
You can see which model might nudge the CO2 level up by couple of bill fine!

The FireFly engines can't be far off for the Panda and 500. They should be significantly better for C02
 
Firefly will never come to the panda
It's going to be battery powered only when the new model comes out

Seriously doubt this - the cento venti concept car led to rumours to this end but (as discussed in another thread) Fiat specifically knocked this on the head, placing the 120 up-market from the Panda. An all-electric Panda would be as much use as a chocolate teaspoon to the many basic - and very conservative - motorists in Italy who buy them by the hundreds of thousand - the Panda is practical rural transport, where it has always been in the market in out-of-city Italy. I can't believe the volume of sales would justify the development costs - there are still very numerous first-generation Pandas in everyday use, especially in 4x4 form, and I suspect Panda owners would just keep hold of their existing cars.
 
Apparently FCA withdraw the merge offer. :confused:

Today's (Thursday 6 June) La Repubblica - which is probably the most reliable Italian daily - suggests that the deal is still on but blames the French government - which is the biggest shareholder in Renault - for being unable to make up its mind. They suggest inter-governmental conversations have succeeded in preventing the delay the French were asking for - to do with insisting that Renault's head office remains in Paris and looking for job guarantees (in an industry destroying itself through over-capacity!). When politicians become involved in industry - specially the automotive industry - it's a recipe for disaster.
 
Today's (Thursday 6 June) La Repubblica - which is probably the most reliable Italian daily - suggests that the deal is still on but blames the French government - which is the biggest shareholder in Renault - for being unable to make up its mind. They suggest inter-governmental conversations have succeeded in preventing the delay the French were asking for - to do with insisting that Renault's head office remains in Paris and looking for job guarantees (in an industry destroying itself through over-capacity!). When politicians become involved in industry - specially the automotive industry - it's a recipe for disaster.

Nailed it. When you add into the mix the widely-reported antagonism between the key players in France and Italy, this 'deal' was doomed to fail.
 
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