News from Carwow 5 minutes ago is that Panda 4x4 has been discontinued. So thanks Fiat for supporting the resolution of the 0* debacle. I have been trying to sell mine and its value has dropped by 25% since the 0* report was published. Local Renault were unable to quote a price this afternoon.

Hopefully it will be gone by lunchtime tomorrow along with the water in the oil.... It could be fixed under warranty, but would you want it? I didnt buy a new car to have the engine pulled apart after 12000 miles.

It may be a very disappointing end to my Panda ownership unless I get a good offer in the next few hours.

I may just get another 100HP and bank the very small amount of change.

Hey Ho

Could it be that in a couple of months or so, everyone will be looking for a small exciting, turbo charged, hot hatch 4x4, and prices will rise for good second hand ones??? Could it be?

Well that's a sad end, and while the warranty work could actually raise the value, are you willing to go through all that?

To be completely honest, if I were in the UK I'd probably be looking at a Suzuki Vitara if I wanted to go bigger or an Ignis if I wanted to go smaller.

If a hot hatch is in the cards, a GTi is still more hatch than most hot hatches, and a Clio RS is hotter than most others, with plenty in between (Fiesta ST) that fit the bill better than a 500 Abarth.

Wow! If I have read this correctly, you're saying that Fiat no longer produce any Panda 4x4's? If that is the case, I'm so happy I got my new Twin air cross in June. Have they given a reason for ceasing production?

johncard007 said:

Wow! If I have read this correctly, you're saying that Fiat no longer produce any Panda 4x4's? If that is the case, I'm so happy I got my new Twin air cross in June. Have they given a reason for ceasing production?

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Well I was concerned when I bought this car and read on here of the engines short lifespan, but decided foolishly to ignore that, but may I suggest that its being withdrawn because the engines a dud?

I wish it had been withdrawn at the end of 2016. I would still have my 100HP which while older was at least reliable.

I was told today by two separate competing dealers that I could not expect much of a PX due to the 0* NCAP test! "People read these things and the cars are not going to shift so we have to respond" .

I intended to keep the Panda for a long time and was not then concerned. Now its an issue of the order of £3-4K! I think that may have something to do with Fiats cut and run.

Go and look on any forecourt or car ads, the price of pandas hasn't dropped at all. The low offers you're getting are how dealers work, any excuse to offer you lower and make more money. I had a try on webuyanycar and price offered is still book price.

They are stopping production of both diesel and twin-air crosses? That really doesn't seem to make sense to me (regarding the engines) as the twin-air engine as been in production for a few years now and plenty of people seem happy with it and it is used in a few variants (panda, 500, Alfa Mito and Punto?) I know all about the horror stories regarding the multi-air engines, I had a Mito Veloce 1.4 multi-air and the unit went tits up just out of warranty and it cost me a little over £800 to get replaced but it seems that the real secret with this technology is to use the best oil you can lay your hands on and change it religiously every 9000 miles along with the Iridium plugs.

johncard007 said:

Wow! If I have read this correctly, you're saying that Fiat no longer produce any Panda 4x4's? If that is the case, I'm so happy I got my new Twin air cross in June. Have they given a reason for ceasing production?

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The TA was SCHEDULED .. to be replaced by the 3 pot motors a while ago.

Looks like the 1.2 4×4 lives on.

Possibly joined by battery power late this year....


How are you finding yours?
Charlie

The Panda Nut said:

Well I was concerned when I bought this car and read on here of the engines short lifespan, but decided foolishly to ignore that, but may I suggest that its being withdrawn because the engines a dud?

I wish it had been withdrawn at the end of 2016. I would still have my 100HP

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Sorry to hear of these issues.

Our Midlands Italia FF group has had 3 2012 TA's since early 2013. All have got to @50K without issue.

Personally ..I would get it done under warranty at a FIAT place you trust.

Deeply inconvenient.. I am sure.. but you would at least have the options of keeping.. or selling on with a clear concience.

TBH if I wasnt 300 miles away.. I would consider it myself.

Charlie

Hi Charlie

I didn't realise they had a three pot in the line, I wonder if it is the same 3 pot engine used in the Fiesta? Although I've had mine since June last year I have only been able to rack up 4500 miles. It performs really well although I only average about 38mpg with mixed commuting driving. It can sound a little harsh at lower speeds (and diesel like) but anything over 45 mph and it is pretty quiet. I opted for the winter pack as well as dark tinted windows and reverse parking sensors and I'm so glad I did at the moment, I love the heated seats and windscreen! I really like the exclusivity of it though - I have been keeping my eyes open for them for over a year and have yet to see another one on the road.

As a matter of interest are they planning in dropping the twin-air altogether across the Fiat/Alfa range?

If Carwow to be believed, the Multijet 95 Diesel is reborn in the 4x4 with a very expensive first year's rfl of £205. And the TA is no more, the 90bhp model being abandoned after a few weeks. The Cross has both engines still, but the Multijet expensive. Expect a list price apparently with that, yellow paint, winter pack, DAB and City Brake of over £19k. I am unsure how accurate this is, but there you go.

Ive not been in the market for a NEW FIAT so had been blissfully unaware of the rehashing of emissions testing.

This had really cut a lot of options.

The higher output TA has only just gone back on sale.

The FIAT POWER TRAIN.. FPT 'firefly' engines were nominally

300cc modular cylinders .. 900x3 cyl

1200x4 cyl

Built in South America @2016 but not here in any great number.

Im assuming the rapid change of the motoring landscape.. and FIAT being out of touch with hybrid may have stopped any factories being set up for it.

Electric drive FIAT.. back on the menu after a 15 year break.. should at least be SOMETHING to look forward to..

But its going to put any NEW models even farther away.

Charlie

Sorry to hear that you've had problems with your TA, but a handful of TA failures doesn't mean that the engine is a dud. I had a DS3 with the BMW Prince turbocharged 1.6 (as fitted, at one point, to the Mini Cooper). Now that engine was a dud. Mine seemed to spent more time in the workshop than on the road, with various timing chain/tensioner issues, coked-up valves and sundry other problems. It was great when it worked OK, but even after countless lengthy visits to the workshop, it would go into limp-home mode with frustrating regularity. I often had a courtesy car for weeks on end. That car must have cost Citroen a small fortune in warranty costs. My TA has been a paragon of reliability in comparison.

But the TA is being killed off by a combination of the new emissions tests and its poor economy. Having said that, the mpg of the firefly-engined 500X isn't much to write home about...

As for secondhand 4x4 TA values, remember how the prices for MkII 4x4s stayed ridiculously high after they went out of production? Every cloud has a silver lining...

I think all Panda's will follow the same outcome.
The "0" rating will be the end of the/this Panda.
I also doubt FIAT will resolve it by upgrading the Panda.
I think the Panda will follow the same pad that the Punto went.
It will slowly bleed to dead, and we only can hope there will be a new Panda in due time.

I know it's not a reliable guide but the 4x4 TA's still on the Fiat UK web site at 14,700 list.

4x4 and Cross (only with TA engine) still listed in the new January 2019 Fiat dealer price lists... https://www.fiat.co.uk/content/dam/fiat/uk/finance/Fiat-Price-List-January-2019.pdf

Can anyone share the CarWow link - I can’t find that report... we know Fiat dropped the MJ from ALL Pandas in September, and dropped the TA from all except thec4x4/Cross at the same time.

Herts Hillhopper https://quotes.carwow.co.uk/car_con...rs=Front+&+Rear&make=Fiat&model=panda4x4-2015

Let's also not forget that the Cross still has a 3* Euro NCAP rating

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I know it's not a reliable guide but the 4x4 TA's still on the Fiat UK web site at 14,700 list.

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I know Carwow is not a reliable guide but the site clearly showed all Pandas discontinued. I don't actually believe it. Dealers today have been refuting its demise and I have got a deal upto 8990, but for a car in showroom condition with just 13000 mile and some extras its very very annoying. One thing is certain. Its going to be the best publicised engine failure in history if I am out of pocket as a result. Before I start down that line I intend to ask Fiat to replace the engine. If they do so I will be happy. It goes in on Friday for full diagnosis and I will not be collecting until its been restored to proper working order. Its little more good than a giant paper-wight at the moment. My big issue is the fact that the whole of the inside of the engine is covered in yellow slime and I dont expect my planned 10 years / 100000 miles is vaguely realistic any more.

I am thinking of doing a big car swap round the family and replacing the Panda with a Jag. It might be equally crap but it would at least be British made.

All I wanted from this car, and still want for my money a reasonable value and a car that does not expire after a handful of miles. I have to remember that the other Fiats we have have been faultless over some pretty big mileages. It does make this even more galling though.

I had forgotten how hard it is to buy cars. If someone could have put one on the road by 0930 on Monday they would have sold it today.