Doom and gloom on the forum but not doom and gloom in reality, you’ve got a great car so i wouldn’t worry! I’m considering buying a Cross this year, am I worried? Not in the slightest as long as I get a good deal initially. I also drive a classic which in relative reality is a death trap, it doesent stop me driving it and enjoying it though but I am conscious of the potential dangers. In comparison the Panda is a fortress in terms of safety. Enjoy your car!
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Doom and gloom on the forum but not doom and gloom in reality, you’ve got a great car so i wouldn’t worry! I’m considering buying a Cross this year, am I worried? Not in the slightest as long as I get a good deal initially. I also drive a classic which in relative reality is a death trap, it doesent stop me driving it and enjoying it though but I am conscious of the potential dangers. In comparison the Panda is a fortress in terms of safety. Enjoy your car!
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To my knowledge in 186000 miles it has never once failed to do what was asked. It had a new engine and gearbox fitted 10k miles ago with a considerable power upgrade and has been meticulously maintained by my brother so apart from its 21 years its probably a good bet. You can stand a 50p coin upright on the engine at tickover which you cannot on my Panda. The new engine does 22 mpg with a full load and when driven in convoy with my panda that did 35.7 on the trip so less than that I suspect...
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There appears to be 1 new J4xe in Sunderland. I just might consider that as I am sure 52+ mpg would do the ticket. Its just I dont like being conned with unrealistic mpg, claims of leather on the seats and engines that put moisture into the oil..... The sour taste will take a long time to dissipate as will the string of letters to the motoring press. I did test a 75hp 4x4 mj in 2017 and it did 78mpg on that 45 mile drive so its still in the running...... just.
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Finally done a couple of long drives over Christmas/New Year breaks and my TA 4x4 has now clocked up just over 3000 miles. First journey was mostly Motorway ranging from steady cruise at 70 to 40 minutes stationery on M1. Second journey was a complete mix of motorway, busy congested A roads and "grass up the middle" very narrow country lanes. According to the computer overall mpg was 42.6. I am quite happy with that, considering we were loaded and lots of stop/start. Love the little beast!
I see from Fiat's website there's a new 4x4 available - the Waze 4x4 (TwinAir) There's an introductory offer on it ... same price as the front drive.
3 different 4x4 versions seems a lot: Waze 4x4, Standard 4x4, and Cross.
It suggests to me that a 4x4 Panda version will be available for some time yet, but the current 'Standard 4x4' could well be dropped, displaced by the Waze version. I'd be sad to see this. I prefer the ordinary 4x4 styling.
Looks pretty 'alive' here: 4x4 small SUV of the Year awards 2019. Waze 4x4 version apparently released in recognition of this accolade... http://www.jeeppress-europe.co.uk/p...rossover-category-at-4x4-magazine-awards-2019
I wonder if its a different reason? Waze will be sponsoring the Waze model, and may be disappointed by the lack of sales. Fiat, in order to appease their sponsor, may have opted to add 4x4 to the Waze version to boost numbers being sold, and keep their sponsor happy...
Hmm - now here's a thing: on the Fiat configurator on the website, it shows there the average consumption of the TwinAir 4x4 model (measured 'for real' under the new WLTP programme) as being 37.7mpg (and a lower-still 37.2 for the slightly heavier Cross TwinAir)
That's quite a drop from previous figures, but may well be much nearer the mark based on what you've being saying here.
The 95bhp 1.3MJ diesel is still available in the Qubo Trekking - which is quoted as having an average consumption of 47.9pmg. SO, although no longer available in the Panda 4x4, I'd expect roughly similar figures if it were, and means my 52.5 isn't bad. Again though, this is a quite a drop from the previously quoted 60+ mpg for the MJ 4x4
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There are some amazingly high quality pictures available under that link. Shame it's not Tuscany Green
The 95Hp Qubo trekking would be a good choice for an otherwise Panda biased buyer.. Have got a 95 Qubo with 83000 on it now and it is still performing very well, last mot no comments, 7 years old. Loads of space in a small footprint, no nonsense style. Probably cheaper to buy too.
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There are some amazingly high quality pictures available under that link. Shame it's not Tuscany Green
Those pics look great because it's YELLOW!!!!!
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Well what a lod of old Bowling rollocks carwow do spout. The 4x4 is still availabable to factory order of you dont mind paying list price, bt deals are hard to find
However at the mo they are offering a 0.9 90hp 4x4 Panda Waze for the price of a waze 2wd 1.2Thats £12,265 which is a bit more like it. You even get the hill descent control knob fro the little use it is to most. I just dont know I can stomach the stylin, I really prefer the standard car.
Missed a diesel demonstrator over the weekend. It was till advertised this morning, but when I got there money in hand it was gone.I really do not know what to buy. There are new 1.6 120 hp Tipos for £10K and a new 500x 2 litre auto for 13K which is where I am leanin tonight. Its just I like cars in the garage and I dont think it would quite fit so one or other would have to stay outside.
I am just beinin to accept that twin air engines produce mayonnaise in the oil filler neck as normal, but I do not accept its right for a high stress turbo engine to run contaminated oil. Watch this space for the end of this saga.
At least I now know how to get 40mpg out of the twinair. Just drive it at 90+ and economy appears as if by magic. Ludicrous engineering!
However at the mo they are offering a 0.9 90hp 4x4 Panda Waze for the price of a waze 2wd 1.2Thats £12,265 which is a bit more like it. You even get the hill descent control knob fro the little use it is to most. I just dont know I can stomach the stylin, I really prefer the standard car.
Missed a diesel demonstrator over the weekend. It was till advertised this morning, but when I got there money in hand it was gone.I really do not know what to buy. There are new 1.6 120 hp Tipos for £10K and a new 500x 2 litre auto for 13K which is where I am leanin tonight. Its just I like cars in the garage and I dont think it would quite fit so one or other would have to stay outside.
I am just beinin to accept that twin air engines produce mayonnaise in the oil filler neck as normal, but I do not accept its right for a high stress turbo engine to run contaminated oil. Watch this space for the end of this saga.
At least I now know how to get 40mpg out of the twinair. Just drive it at 90+ and economy appears as if by magic. Ludicrous engineering!
My Trekkings TA is still fantastic at coming up to 60k now, flew through MOT etc. It might be because I haven't gone with the every other year servicing pattern Fiat flogged the car with at the time, and it's been done religiously every year on the dot. Runs sweet as a nut. What is frustrating is that if I wanted a brand new car to replace it with, Fiat nowadays have nothing to offer. I don't want another version of the car I currently own, so I think I would be going for a Jimny. Fiat must be losing a lot of potential repeat customers these days with their dated and limited lineup.
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Apologies for typos. My new laptop has suffered a motherboard failure killin some of the keyboard and has now died. Thank heaven for the extended warranty £33 well spent for once.
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I just want a like for like replacement or better still a diesel. The Twin air is running exceptionally well if you ignore the mayonnaise. The ease with which it cruises on the motorway is astounding. Tried the Inis alldrive but not impressed with the power output. I am considering either a 695 or 695C. I just remember how bad the 100HP was in freezing conditions and suspect one of these would be worse as tyres wider and power even dafter. If a Tipo would go in my garage without one of the others having to stand outside I would buy one, and bear in in mind my disparaging comments on the depreciation a while back that says a bit about how good it felt. Value for money there is nothing on sale to touch it. I had forgotten how utterly unpleasant buying cars actually is.
Good marks to Motorvogue Kings Lynn for being by far the best dealer experience so far.
