regardless of 3 wheelers and VW up not getting good results i must say i am a bit gutted of the recent results having just taken charge of my little panda 4x4 7 days ago, must say it has put a damper on my anticipation of getting the car, i do think fiat have taken for granted the panda appeal and not stepped up to keeping up the with the safety of their cars, all in all pretty **** from fiat , not a happy bunny
General Panda gets 0* in Euro NCAP!
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General Panda gets 0* in Euro NCAP!
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I detest SUV's that mostly ferry the poor kids to school when a bit of walking would them good.
I have had 2CV's and Dyane's so I don't have issues. My gripe is drivers that rely on electronics, I'd also have a Twizy for nipping into town but I just don't trust the drivers in those ugly big vehicles, they think they are a law unto themselves, bullies with no respect for others...... Long live the Panda.
Took delivery of my Panda Cross last Friday, and honestly couldn't care less about the NCAP rating. As said above, behaviour, training and experience save more lives than electronic aids.
My dream car is a Caterham - don't think they score very high in NCAP either
My dream car is a Caterham - don't think they score very high in NCAP either
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I recently watched with trepidation as the driver of a massive egowagon took about eight attempts to reverse into the space next to my 4x4 TA in a Waitrose car park, narrowly missing it several times.
I asked said driver, semi-jokingly,"Have you considered a smaller vehicle?"
To which the response was,"Have you considered minding your own f---ing business?"
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I think Euro NCAP should stop with the current star rating system. The Panda is nothing less safe as it was before only time has passed and newer cars are doing better. Cars that had 4 stars should keep these and if better things come along the awarded stars just need to go up. That would be better in many ways(imo) because now manufacturers only have to reach 5 star safety because that is the max so why bother. In that case the Panda would still remain a 4 star car and the new Jimny for instance would get 7 stars and the polo 9. Now other older models that haven't been retested all of a sudden look much safer then the zero star Panda but that is complete BS. They can even use these old scores for marketing where Fiat now is basicly screwed. And how much safer a Jimny in real life is remains to be seen because they are said to handdle like crap in on road conditions(witch is true for many off road orientated cars). I really wonder how the new Jimny will do in the so called moose test wich still causes trouble for many off road vehicles.
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I think they should scrap the overall star rating, and just have individual ratings for passive safety, pedestrian impact, and driver assist. That way, it's easier for each individual to focus on what's important to them.
Interesting, as I was looking for a parking spot and thought I could squeeze in here. OK, it was 4 manoeuvres (reverse-forward-reverse-forward) but we got in without anyone guiding. What's not to like?
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I also have had Citroen 2cv's for many years. They never had any electronics and I never had any problems/accidents with them.
I wish they still made them but one's THAT DID NOT RUST TO DEATH
Heaven protect us from modern "progress"
I wish they still made them but one's THAT DID NOT RUST TO DEATH
Heaven protect us from modern "progress"
Those new 5 split spoke alloys and the grey look fantastic i must say.
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I hope they both had plenty of space on the other side of them, otherwise the care and skill you showed in squeezing safely into that space could have been undone when they tried to get out!
Having said that, you're on safer ground if the cars next to you are new, or appear to be treasured. I never park within 6 feet of my neighbour's 54 reg Honda (scuffed bumpers, several dents, smashed wing mirror) because she drives it - and parks it - like a dodgem.
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Amen to that.
The nearest I came to an accident in mine was when the bonnet catch came undone at speed, and the bonnet flipped backwards and wrapped itself around the windscreen and the roof. Fortunately, I was on a straight stretch, with nothing coming in the opposite direction, and I was able to bring it to a halt without further incident. My pregnant wife and 2 year-old son were inside . She refused to go in it after that.
I never got around to repairing the bonnet - just left it with a ruddy great dent right across it, and when folks asked me what happened, I said that I tried to drive under a very low bridge.
:devil: :slayer:The following year, the barn collapsed on top of it in a storm, and after that the dent in the bonnet (and the rust!!) was the least of its, and my, problems.
With hindsight, while its primary safety was excellent (it was impossible to skid in it, let alone roll it, as the roadholding was awesome), it doesn't bear thinking about how it would have fared in an impact.
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Absolutely, I drove my Dyane with the foot to the floor virtually all the time out of town. Although only 32bhp in the Dyane it was remarkably fast A to B. Puddles, floods and snow were nothing to them. I also had a 1960 425cc AZL 2CV it was slow 50 down hill and a tail wind but terrific fun. Again though a thought of the consequences in an accident.
Absolutely, I drove my Dyane with the foot to the floor virtually all the time out of town. Although only 32bhp in the Dyane it was remarkably fast A to B. Puddles, floods and snow were nothing to them. I also had a 1960 425cc AZL 2CV it was slow 50 down hill and a tail wind but terrific fun. Again though a thought of the consequences in an accident.
Here's a balanced review of the results... https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-n...rap-here-s-the-crash-test-video-ar183668.html
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That's spot on.
It's time for a "Panda Evo", with up to date safety gear, required for at least 4 stars or even 5.
Otherwise the Panda is done and sale numbers will drop like a stone in a ravine.
Otherwise the Panda is done and sale numbers will drop like a stone in a ravine.
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Don't think that's going to happen. The score was mainly so bad because of poor side impact scores and rear passenger safety. Adding lane assist and city braking is not going to cut it I'm afraid.
Apparently they are using new dummies so results will be even harder to compare until every model is re tested. Expect many more bad results such as this. The air bag was originally designed for markets where use of the seat belt was considered an invasion of privacy, by the way. The 3 point belt must now be considered out of date though it will have demonstrably saved thousands of lives by now. Everyone must now use 3 point full shoulder harnesses with tailored neck and head restraints. The car must be 1m longer to absorb crash energy. Imagine. Or we could note that energy, in a crash, is a function of speed squared, so slowing down slightly, as a rule, and only with a modest risk aversion, would make a Panda driver just as likely to survive a single car event than a **** in the strongest alternative.
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One thing that must significantly increase the risk of head injury in a side impact, for those sitting in the front at least, is the narrowness of the doors. Sitting in the driver's seat, my head is right in line with the bolt of the upper seatbelt mounting point. I imagine that it could make a nasty dent on the side of my cranium, if I got shunted from the side. On cars with wider doors, the seatbelt mounting point is further back, and so any head contact is more likely to be with the glass of the window rather than the B pillar, which would help to dissipate the impact.
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Obviously safety in any car these days is important, but lets face it, any wee car is subject to a fair bit of damage simply because of its size. People tend to pick a car for its looks or prestige value, obviously there are "some" who pick for safety, family conscience drivers etc. As pointed out previously cars have came a long way since the 60/70's, I too remember those days well, never gave the crash situation a single thought....:devil:
Going off topic a bit....there are a fair few members on here who have vehicles in double figures of age. I watched a car program a few years back when a brand new vehicle was crashed & then they crashed a three year old identical model, to say I was surprised at the difference would be an under statement. Although just three years difference the older vehicle fared a lot worse than I had anticipated. Just think what state an old car&you would be in if you were unfortunate to be involved in a nasty accident.....
Just food for thought.........Stay safe & avoid accidents. Season greetings to you all by the way.
Going off topic a bit....there are a fair few members on here who have vehicles in double figures of age. I watched a car program a few years back when a brand new vehicle was crashed & then they crashed a three year old identical model, to say I was surprised at the difference would be an under statement. Although just three years difference the older vehicle fared a lot worse than I had anticipated. Just think what state an old car&you would be in if you were unfortunate to be involved in a nasty accident.....
Just food for thought.........Stay safe & avoid accidents. Season greetings to you all by the way.
Think when other city cars are retested in 2019 the Panda won’t be the only car with zero stars
