General Diesel on the way out

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General Diesel on the way out

D1cky

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Morning All,
I know it's not news in general that diesels are doomed and that Fiat have announced that they will no longer make diesels after 2020 but for Pandas (and 500s) that day may be sooner rather than later.
As of 1 September in Spain diesel has been dropped from the whole Panda and 500 range. I assume that the UK won't be far behind.
 
Morning All,
I know it's not news in general that diesels are doomed and that Fiat have announced that they will no longer make diesels after 2020 but for Pandas (and 500s) that day may be sooner rather than later.
As of 1 September in Spain diesel has been dropped from the whole Panda and 500 range. I assume that the UK won't be far behind.
In the UK the 1.3 engine was dropped months ago
Same goes for the 500X may have for others as well
 
Apologies if it's not news. I wasn't aware they'd been dropped already. In Spain the Twinair Cross doesn't sell at all so that pretty well kills off the Cross out here. Sad.
 
In the UK the 1.3 engine was dropped months ago
Same goes for the 500X may have for others as well

Are you (and others) sure that they've been dropped permanently?

There a a large number of models of cars from many manufacturers that aren't being sold at the moment, because they can't cope with the new emission tests. Many of them are being tweaked and some need particulate filters fitting (even petrol ones), but it is intended they'll be available again at some point.
 
I'm afraid it's definitely gone. I was downloading the handbook yesterday and there are two versions. The post March 2018 one has had all mention of diesel in it removed! It's a pity as I think the multijet suits the car perfectly. We live 2 kms down a dirt track in the mountains of southern Spain and it's like a little mountain goat. Brilliant!
 
The 4x4 and Cross models are still shown as being available, both in Spain and here, with the diesel engine... https://www.fiat.es/panda/panda-4x4

screenshot below of Spanish website taken just now... and this story from fiat.com's international news section shows new MultiJet diesels with AdBlue technology announced for the 500X: https://www.fiat.com/news/new-fiat-500x
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Interesting. They may be soldiering on with the diesel in the 500X but it has certainly disappeared for Pandas in the Spanish market. I wanted to configure my own car and sat with the dealer looking at their internal configurator and the diesel was no longer listed for order. I presume it's still listed on the website as they have about 50 physical units around the country to shift. And why rewrite the handbook to remove any mention of diesel if only a temporary halt in production?
 
Are you (and others) sure that they've been dropped permanently?

There a a large number of models of cars from many manufacturers that aren't being sold at the moment, because they can't cope with the new emission tests. Many of them are being tweaked and some need particulate filters fitting (even petrol ones), but it is intended they'll be available again at some point.
they are gone they just announced the new engine's for the 500x
And it's petrol only in the uk
Spain may be different but not the UK


Anyway fiat allready announced they plan to stop selling diesel's engines in evertht apart from the fiat professional brand
E.g vans
 
Here's the definitive answer: from official Fiat price list for September 2018...


This confirms that (1) the MultiJet is not available in the Panda any more, and (2) that the TwinAir is also dropped for the Model Year (MY) 2018, except with the 4x4. All the rest of the range is shown as only being offered with the 'old' 1.2 petrol engine. https://www.fiat.co.uk/content/dam/f...ber%202018.pdf

(see page 44 and 45)
However, if you scroll to the very end of the file (page 95) you will see Panda 'previous range' which shows the price for vehicles with other engines 'while stocks last'...
 
Was it s bad move by be yesterday to place an order for a panda twinair cross.Seeing that the engine has been dropped throughout the range.
 
It hasn't been dropped throughout the range. It's been dropped on the non-4x4 Pandas.

So, you might reflect on your purchase in a different, more positive way, i.e. that Pandas with the TA engine are now more exclusive, and therefore more desirable, than ever.

<ducks and exits the room hurriedly>
 
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Good point ,thought I was in an exclusive club with my yellow abarth now everyone seems to be getting a yellow one.Only ever seen one panda cross on the roads.
 
Judging by the new brochure, the 1.2 Panda now has less Co2 than the TA 4x4 (used to be more). No published performance and economy figures for the 4x4 and Cross, probably as pretty awful. I can give them a combined figure of 33.5mpg based on my best and worst economy divided by 2. Doubt they want to publish that though. :eek:
 
Seen in Automotive News Europe
October 11, 2018

MILAN — Fiat Chrysler Automobiles halted production of the diesel version of the Fiat Panda minicar Sept. 1, two sources told Automotive News Europe.

The decision to stop production of the diesel Panda is part of FCA's new business plan announced June 1 at the automaker’s capital markets day. Former CEO Sergio Marchionne, who died July 25, said then that the automaker will "phase out diesel engines on all passenger vehicles by 2021."

FCA did not comment on whether Panda diesel production had ended.
 
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