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Re: Twinair hesiting/misfiring when accelerating

The correct oil is Selenia Digitek PE (Pure Energy) 0W30 - this stuff;

https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=s...944&sku=262322

Initial specifications (which will be in the older handbooks) were for a 5w40 version of the Selenia oil, but in hindsight this was deemed to be too thick (in the UK at least) and re-specified as the 0W30 instead.
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Re: Twinair hesiting/misfiring when accelerating

Hi.
I've scanned my handbook and the Euro 6 supplement.
if we look at Torstens posts re resetting the Uniair module there is some doubt regarding the oil viscosity and whether the old spec should be adhered to on the older engines.

I'd say the Uniair module should be reset anyway but I would like to know if when resetting it on MultiECUscan there is an option for the spec change in 2014. All very confusing for the OP I have to say but until we know for sure that this spec change is valid for pre 2014 engines IMHO I'd stick to old spec, again that is my personal opinion and may or may not be correct.

The other change in 2014 is going from a C3 to a C2 (turbo engines) oil there are rumblings around that C3 is less protective than C2 oils, so this could be a reason for moving to the C2 spec later on.
Selinia Oils are made by Petronas and they will have the very same oils at better prices. https://www.fiat.co.uk/mopar/origina...nia-engine-oil


Ringa's link above is spot on for the post 2014 oils spec and a very good price indeed



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Re: Twinair hesiting/misfiring when accelerating

Isn't this the thread with (almost) all the answers?

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Graham, if your garage has parts supplier they can get this (Selenia branded by Petronas themselves). Total do a similar oil, so if still specified for use by Peugeot and Citroen dealers you can source from them. Also there's a Castrol Magnatec Ow 30 C2 developed for Honda. https://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/c...2801&1&cc5_249
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Graham, if your garage has parts supplier they can get this (Selenia branded by Petronas themselves). Total do a similar oil, so if still specified for use by Peugeot and Citroen dealers you can source from them. Also there's a Castrol Magnatec Ow 30 C2 developed for Honda. https://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/c...2801&1&cc5_249
I'm quite certain, that that's not the same oil. May well be the same base oil, but both spec sheet and safety sheets are different. So they will have a different additive cocktail - which is equally important as the base oil.

With the correct oil being readily available (mopar, gray's or shop4parts), I wouldn't risk it for the sake of 5 per oil change.

The Synthium range was developed for PSA, Ford and JLR group, the Selenia range was developed by Petronas Italy with and especially for FIAT.
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Re: Twinair hesiting/misfiring when accelerating

I'm really sorry to still be asking this,i hope I don't come across as a dim-wit& I am doing me best,but I still can't decipher from all the posts I've read which oil I should buy,there does seem to be several opinions/choices.

So,Which is the correct oil (Brand & Type)for my 2012 T/A.

AL D,thanks for the info on the place near Blackpool,i'm going to speak to them Today,then make a decision whether to take the Car up there,or work with my local guy.
Once again thanks for all the help.
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There's confusion because Fiat changed the spec for the TA engine oil.

Originally, the handbook stated
SAE 5W-40 ACEA C3 grade totally synthetic lubricant.
FIAT Classification 9.55535-S2.

From the factory it would have had
SELENIA K P.E.


Later (I think march 2014 onwards) it was changed to
SAE 0W-30 ACEA C2 grade totally synthetic lubricant.
FIAT Classification 9.55535-GS1.

From the factory it would have had
SELENIA DIGITEK P.E.

Now, it depends on what you think yourself which oil to use.

The Selenia oil is what Fiat contractually use at the factory.
You won't find many dealers using it, no matter what anyone tells you, they'll more than likely (hopefully) use one that meets the correct specification.

Which is either:
SAE 5W-40 ACEA C3 grade totally synthetic lubricant.
FIAT Classification 9.55535-S2
Or
SAE 0W-30 ACEA C2 grade totally synthetic lubricant.
FIAT Classification 9.55535-GS1

There are other brands of oil that meet either of these specs, I think Shell makes one as I seem to remember checking it after my dealer billed me for some after a service.

https://www.shell.com/motorist/oils-...ect-5w-40.html
and
https://www.shell.com/motorist/oils-...-c3-0w-30.html

You can find and download the handbook yourself here.
https://aftersales.fiat.com/elum/Hom...?id_language=2
If you select brand and model, it allows you to select year and month as well.
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Re: Twinair hesiting/misfiring when accelerating

BTW, my 4x4 TA was March 2014 and only ever got
SAE 5W-40 ACEA C3 grade totally synthetic lubricant.
FIAT Classification 9.55535-S2

As I wrote, I always checked it after.

There was never any explanation regards the altered spec from Fiat.
I'm a lot of a cynic and think it was due to money for servicing dealers.

They halved the serving intervals and spec'd expensive oil all at the same time, kind of odd eh?
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Hi Graham, you could always ring Warrington Motorpark Parts and get price for two 2 litre cans of Selenia 0w 30. Though that Alfa place at Lytham must be able to get hold of it. I had 0w 30 C3 in my previous 4x4. Did 10k miles in 4 months and it was fine. Make of that what you want. You can buy a lot of the correct oil for the price of a Uniair unit.
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Shop 4 parts also sell the correct oil in Selina or Petronas (same oil different bottle)
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This filtered by Fiat spec brings up these 2. https://m.buycarparts.co.uk/motor-oi...0%5D=sae-0w-30
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Shop 4 parts also sell the correct oil in Selina or Petronas (same oil different bottle)
While Selenia = Petronas, Digitek P.E. != Synthium 7000

So, same company, different oil, even if the base spec is the same.
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Total Quartz Ineo First 0w 30 C2 is Fiat compatible (PSA group) as is Millers XF Longlife C2 0w30. Plenty of choice if want to buy on the high street after all.
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BTW, my 4x4 TA was March 2014 and only ever got
SAE 5W-40 ACEA C3 grade totally synthetic lubricant.
FIAT Classification 9.55535-S2

As I wrote, I always checked it after.

There was never any explanation regards the altered spec from Fiat.
I'm a lot of a cynic and think it was due to money for servicing dealers.

They halved the serving intervals and spec'd expensive oil all at the same time, kind of odd eh?
Well, as an engineer, I can say the following:

a) the 5W-40 Selenia seems to be the correct oil for Euro5 TA engines. The MultiAir module will be calibrated to that oil.

b) I like to be a cynic in many cases, but in this case:

c) .... there is a good engineering reasons for the changes:

- Euro6 requires a few changes to the engine, a very common one is the change to a lower viscosity oil. Manufacturers would rather avoid that, as tighter tolerances are required, which makes everything more expensive.

- The long service intervals were most likely causing a lot of warranty issues. The manual always stated that for cars that are used mostly in city traffic and/or do low mileages (<6000 miles per year), an annual service is required. Reasons including, but not limited to, condensate in the oil, which leads to early oil degradation. So while a motorway car with full synth oil should be fine with 18000 miles intervals, the typical use of a twinair engine would lead to a lot of people not changing oil for a few years and thus causing problems. As an engineer I'd change the interval to 9000 miles for a car like the 500 or Panda for that reason alone.

So, sorry for busting the conspiracy theory. But then, I would say that, as an engineer I'm part of "THEM"

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Hi.
I've scanned my handbook and the Euro 6 supplement.
if we look at Torstens posts re resetting the Uniair module there is some doubt regarding the oil viscosity and whether the old spec should be adhered to on the older engines.

....


Here is the two scans for perusal.
Interesting scans. That's a pretty good way to confuse the customer and the workshop crew

Since a change from 5W40 to 0W30 (or in general a lower viscosity full-synth) is a common theme in Euro6 engine adjustments, I would not assume that the 5W40 is bad for the engine and was changed because of problems, but because of tighter requirements. I'd stick to the 5W40 for the Euro5 engines - especially since Fiat seems to make it quite clear in your case that the new spec applies only to the Euro6 engine.
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