Okay... new to posting on the forum, but now I have my second 4x4 Panda (2014 Panda 4x4 & now the 2018 Panda Cross- both 1.3 TD).
So, the filter hasn't found an answer prior to posting this & please bear with me as I have to set the scene- so here goes;
I have recently traded in my Panda 4x4 which I truly loved, for the (supposedly) better (2018) Panda Cross, to find that I'm extremely disappointed with the lack-lustre handling, in fact quite bad handling compared to the former Panda 4x4.
I know that any 4x4 will have a certain amount of body roll & all the reviewers commented on it. That said; my old 2014 Panda 4x4 handled extremely well, cornered better than some sportier cars & there was no corner that I didn't feel uncomfortable in to stay with sporty cars (seriously, she handled so well), so I never understood the body roll comments as it was almost imperceptible. Perhaps the only shortcoming was the under-powered 75BHP engine, which usually left me behind once the bends were dispensed with!
Like too many dealerships, there are rarely Panda 4x4s to test drive, so I ordered the Cross anticipating the same great handling as experienced (& enjoyed!) with my old Panda 4x4 with perhaps a little more power (20BHP to be exact), to make a very good car great...
My Cross arrived in March & the little tweaks & extras were welcome & the drive felt quieter owing to better sound-proofing & more plush owing to the very noticeable softer suspension. I immediately noticed significant body roll & exiting a roundabout, I changed gear (Panda's short gearing) & I noticed power-off over-steer, which had never happened at that roundabout in similar circumstances with the Panda 4x4. I'm not talking about loss of control or anything like that, but a a noticeable & very unwelcome shortcoming in the handling.
I have been taught that you drive to your & the car's ability & so I have had to settle for a rather disappointing drive & curb my enthusiasm when cornering (cornering is where I used to separate the wheat from the chaff!), but the other day I was cresting a hill which bears a little left at the top & on the other side was a stationary vehicle waiting to turn right... I have pressed my brakes hard, as befitting the circumstances & the Cross has nose-dived to the right & started to go left, I have released the brakes to regain control & pressed hard again with the stationary car totally unaware of my situation. Add to this, I had another vehicle behind me throwing out all his anchors at the same time & I was trying to brake hard enough not to hit the vehicle in front, but also leave enough space so as not have the vehicle behind, collide with me. So the Cross has then started to dive to the left & try to go right where oncoming traffic were (that the stationary vehicle was waiting for). I have released the brakes again in order to regain control & re-applied the brakes again & she has then braked straight & true & thankfully stopped before the car ahead (& the vehicle behind me, stopped without any noticeable deviations).
Just for the record; I'm aware that ABS requires that I depress & hold my foot on the brake pedal- had I done so I would have exited the road, stage left, into a wood, hence the cadence braking to regain control & stay on the tarmac.
My questions are many, but: Does the Panda 4x4 have road shock absorbers & the Cross have softer shocks in order to generate better mechanical grip for off-roading? Whilst I understand this concept, it has made the Cross IMHO worse for it. My old Panda 4x4 fared extremely well in the snow & I left more than 1 red-faced 'proper' off-roader at the bottom of a hill. I know that it's no real off-roader & neither is the Cross, but I'm sure that both will fare very well off road anyway...
The money question is; does anyone know if I can fit stiffer shocks (as the chassis appears identical), or do I have to settle for a sporty vehicle with big 4x4 handling?
Thanks for bearing with me if you managed to get this far!
So, the filter hasn't found an answer prior to posting this & please bear with me as I have to set the scene- so here goes;
I have recently traded in my Panda 4x4 which I truly loved, for the (supposedly) better (2018) Panda Cross, to find that I'm extremely disappointed with the lack-lustre handling, in fact quite bad handling compared to the former Panda 4x4.
I know that any 4x4 will have a certain amount of body roll & all the reviewers commented on it. That said; my old 2014 Panda 4x4 handled extremely well, cornered better than some sportier cars & there was no corner that I didn't feel uncomfortable in to stay with sporty cars (seriously, she handled so well), so I never understood the body roll comments as it was almost imperceptible. Perhaps the only shortcoming was the under-powered 75BHP engine, which usually left me behind once the bends were dispensed with!
Like too many dealerships, there are rarely Panda 4x4s to test drive, so I ordered the Cross anticipating the same great handling as experienced (& enjoyed!) with my old Panda 4x4 with perhaps a little more power (20BHP to be exact), to make a very good car great...
My Cross arrived in March & the little tweaks & extras were welcome & the drive felt quieter owing to better sound-proofing & more plush owing to the very noticeable softer suspension. I immediately noticed significant body roll & exiting a roundabout, I changed gear (Panda's short gearing) & I noticed power-off over-steer, which had never happened at that roundabout in similar circumstances with the Panda 4x4. I'm not talking about loss of control or anything like that, but a a noticeable & very unwelcome shortcoming in the handling.
I have been taught that you drive to your & the car's ability & so I have had to settle for a rather disappointing drive & curb my enthusiasm when cornering (cornering is where I used to separate the wheat from the chaff!), but the other day I was cresting a hill which bears a little left at the top & on the other side was a stationary vehicle waiting to turn right... I have pressed my brakes hard, as befitting the circumstances & the Cross has nose-dived to the right & started to go left, I have released the brakes to regain control & pressed hard again with the stationary car totally unaware of my situation. Add to this, I had another vehicle behind me throwing out all his anchors at the same time & I was trying to brake hard enough not to hit the vehicle in front, but also leave enough space so as not have the vehicle behind, collide with me. So the Cross has then started to dive to the left & try to go right where oncoming traffic were (that the stationary vehicle was waiting for). I have released the brakes again in order to regain control & re-applied the brakes again & she has then braked straight & true & thankfully stopped before the car ahead (& the vehicle behind me, stopped without any noticeable deviations).
Just for the record; I'm aware that ABS requires that I depress & hold my foot on the brake pedal- had I done so I would have exited the road, stage left, into a wood, hence the cadence braking to regain control & stay on the tarmac.
My questions are many, but: Does the Panda 4x4 have road shock absorbers & the Cross have softer shocks in order to generate better mechanical grip for off-roading? Whilst I understand this concept, it has made the Cross IMHO worse for it. My old Panda 4x4 fared extremely well in the snow & I left more than 1 red-faced 'proper' off-roader at the bottom of a hill. I know that it's no real off-roader & neither is the Cross, but I'm sure that both will fare very well off road anyway...
The money question is; does anyone know if I can fit stiffer shocks (as the chassis appears identical), or do I have to settle for a sporty vehicle with big 4x4 handling?
Thanks for bearing with me if you managed to get this far!