Good afternoon good people of the forum.

Im doing some research regarding my build.
Im currently in the process of getting everything that is needed to install a turbo for my little Fiat Panda 1.2 8v 2015 year model.
Ive been told that the 1.4 (100HP) model Fiat 500's exhaust is exactly the same... is that true? Because im looking into having a company build the turbo exhaust manifold for me and they requested the exhaust gasket or old exhaust to create the flanges for the turbo.
Is there no direct bolt on i could possibly import or buy?

Kindest regards

Have you considered using a complete Abarth engine?

If you want the engine to stay alive for a long time, 10psi is the limit.
More then that and you need forged internals, to keep it alive.
And i know because of my Rotrex SC experience on the 1.2ltr 8V engine.

Hi. Yes I have, but there are numerous problems with that though.
For one, there aren't any available locally, so again direct import.
Secondly, then the car needs to be re-registered etc with the new engine number etc, and with that it is classified as a rebuild in my country.
Otherwise that would have been an awesome idea.
Thank you very much for that idea.

The Pretender said:

If you want the engine to stay alive for a long time, 10psi is the limit.
More then that and you need forged internals, to keep it alive.
And i know because of my Rotrex SC experience on the 1.2ltr 8V engine.

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Hi,

Thank you for your valued point, so much appreciated.
I was told the exact same thing previously, thats why I am not going to be going higher that 7,25psi for now, until i can get the rest of the things sorted out.
The problem I am facing right now at this moment though is the exhaust turbo manifold, and I was informed that the 1.4 abarth etc exhaust does fit onto the car, do you know if thats possibly true or do you think i should rather have somebody make it from stratch. the fees involved with it being made out of stainless steel is approximation of R4000,00 ($322,00)

With 7.25 psi you wil end up with around 90 hp i reckon, otherwise you come to a to big of a turbo with a lot of turbo lag.
That's why i like Rotrex C15 Superchargers better on a small displacement engine.
My Rotrex C15-20 kit run 123 hp - 156 Nm in Prototype fase @ 10 psi on a engine dyno.

The Pretender said:

With 7.25 psi you wil end up with around 90 hp i reckon, otherwise you come to a to big of a turbo with a lot of turbo lag.
That's why i like Rotrex C15 Superchargers better on a small displacement engine.
My Rotrex C15-20 kit run 123 hp - 156 Nm in Prototype fase @ 10 psi on a engine dyno.

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Where would link the supercharger pulley on a third generation Panda?

tiagoadcosta said:

Where would link the supercharger pulley on a third generation Panda?

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My system run on a separate belt with a siamese crank pulley.
Only possible on 1.2ltr 8v FIRE engine "without" Airco system.

The Pretender said:

My system run on a separate belt with a siamese crank pulley.
Only possible on 1.2ltr 8v FIRE engine "without" Airco system.

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Figured so, thanks!

it's a shame the 1.2 is so common but there aren't many turbo/sc projects on it

tiagoadcosta said:

Figured so, thanks!

it's a shame the 1.2 is so common but there aren't many turbo/sc projects on it

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I only did a prototype fase with it and then put the essential parts in a box and sold the rest.

Some day i will build something with it.

The Pretender said:

I only did a prototype fase with it and then put the essential parts in a box and sold the rest.

Some day i will build something with it.

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A small turbo to give it a bit of torque at low revs would be nice i guess

tiagoadcosta said:

A small turbo to give it a bit of torque at low revs would be nice i guess

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Supercharger, power and torque straight from idle.
My kit is capable of 200+ hp with a Rotrex C15-60 SC and forged engine, @ 1.6 bar boost.

The Pretender said:

Supercharger, power and torque straight from idle.
My kit is capable of 200+ hp with a Rotrex C15-60 SC and forged engine, @ 1.6 bar boost.

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yeah i prefer SCs too but turbos are easier to do in this case

tiagoadcosta said:

yeah i prefer SCs too but turbos are easier to do in this case

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Not by my opinion.
There has to be a lot more changed for installing a turbo.
A supercharger + Bracket, 2 pulley's, and a belt, and you are done with a Supercharger.

The problems Ive been facing regarding SC are 1) space is an issue, unless you are wiling to remove the A/C. 2) The price to have in done is way out of the budget (R50,000.00 +-$4000) 3) In my experience the belt keeps slipping or slips off completely under full load.
And also not to mention that in essence it does suck up a little bit of the car's power.
Where a simple turbo conversion costs a third of the SC route. And also, doesnt rob the car of any power...

Gys said:

The problems Ive been facing regarding SC are 1) space is an issue, unless you are wiling to remove the A/C. 2) The price to have in done is way out of the budget (R50,000.00 +-$4000) 3) In my experience the belt keeps slipping or slips off completely under full load.
And also not to mention that in essence it does suck up a little bit of the car's power.
Where a simple turbo conversion costs a third of the SC route. And also, doesnt rob the car of any power...

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Yes, but look at the gains whan a SC install is done correctly....