A generation to me is a brand new platform, a Mk is any significant change. Between 141 and 141a was more than cosmetic, hence why everyone who knows anything about classic Pandas distinguishes them as Mk1 and Mk2.
General Fiat Panda 4th generation (2019)
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In that case then, why isn't the facelift model mk2 Punto known as the mk3 instead of the mk2b?
Because there weren't significant changes. Everything mechanical was basically identical aside from the switch to the 1.4 in the Sporting model. It was pretty much just a facelift.
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Not to mention the introduction of the 1.3 MultiJet.
I must admit, what confuses me is when people call the facelift version of cars a new mk: for example, people refer to the late 1997 Mondeo as the mk2, whereas I still consider it to be a mk1, as it was just a facelift.
Not to mention the introduction of the 1.3 MultiJet.
I must admit, what confuses me is when people call the facelift version of cars a new mk: for example, people refer to the late 1997 Mondeo as the mk2, whereas I still consider it to be a mk1, as it was just a facelift.
The opposite is true IMO for the Golf. Mechanically, the difference between the Mk1+Mk2, Mk3+Mk4, and Mk5+Mk6 are there, but those pairings look so similar you wonder why they bothered...
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The money they save by not having a styling department they spend on "perceived quality" instead, lol!
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Would you still buy a 4th Generation Panda, if FIAT would put the New GSE-Firefly engines in the present 3th Generation Panda. ??
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I would say no. First, I love the twinair and don't feel the need for a different engine so changing just for that would be pointless.
Second, if I look at the new Ford Fiesta and what they've done with the interior, the big touchscreen with a good user interface and esspecialy the B&O entertainment system it's clear to me that things have to move on in this departement to convince me to get a new car.
But if the Panda I own now would last forever with only service and some new tires it would be fine by me
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I would say no. First, I love the twinair and don't feel the need for a different engine so changing just for that would be pointless.
Second, if I look at the new Ford Fiesta and what they've done with the interior, the big touchscreen with a good user interface and esspecialy the B&O entertainment system it's clear to me that things have to move on in this departement to convince me to get a new car.
But if the Panda I own now would last forever with only service and some new tires it would be fine by me
At this point i can say my Panda does, just service and tires.
After the UNI-Air module replacement it's performing flawless.
About new engines in this 3th Gen Panda, i would only change if there would be a new 999cc 3 cilinder Turbo MultiAir engine available with probably having around 90 hp.
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If the stories are to believed, will the next gen Panda get 2 Mild-Hybrid versions.
Both GSE-Firefly, 1 will be the 999cc 3 cylinder and the other the 1332cc 4 cylinder.
The 3 cylinder would be ± 71 hp + Mild-Hybrid and the 4 cylinder would be ± 101 hp + Mild-Hybrid.
The mild-hybrid will give a torque boost when needed.
Both GSE-Firefly, 1 will be the 999cc 3 cylinder and the other the 1332cc 4 cylinder.
The 3 cylinder would be ± 71 hp + Mild-Hybrid and the 4 cylinder would be ± 101 hp + Mild-Hybrid.
The mild-hybrid will give a torque boost when needed.
Sorry, but if it's had the uniair module replaced, it already hasn't.
Performing flawlessly means just that; if it's needed anything bar tyres and service parts, ever, it no longer qualifies.
I'm pleased to say my 1.2 has made it to 83,000 miles and is still in the 'flawless' club; my 500 didn't even manage to get off the forecourt.
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The mild hybrid in the Suzuki Ignis is supposed to help the performance and mpg although it is an extra £800 so not sure if the maths works out. Might get closer to 60mpg with a mild hybrid though.
Still got my fingers crossed for some news on June 1st but I would think they will announce the new 500 first.
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That would make sense, as the 500 is by far the older design, plus it's Fiats' cash cow.
I'd not like to see big changes to the Panda. Its a big seller on mainland Europe, Britain though is full of car snobbery and a poor Fiat dealership network with still that rubbish talked about that Fiats are no good and highly unreliable.
Its about time the dealer network were given a shake up along with Fiat UK. The cars are good and really Fiat need to up their ante here in the UK.
Its about time the dealer network were given a shake up along with Fiat UK. The cars are good and really Fiat need to up their ante here in the UK.
Not a new generation, but interesting nevertheless: while discussing our order of a Panda Cross last week, our dealer (in Belgium) told us to wait for 2 weeks, as Fiat apparently is upgrading/updating/reclassifying the Euro6b Twinair to Euro6d mid-May...
So, for now, all ready to order once the dealer gives us the word
So, for now, all ready to order once the dealer gives us the word
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It look like that even the Next Gen Panda is doubtful, according to latest stories.
Marchionne talks only about Fiat 500 in al kind of models, the Panda could be axed in favor for a same size 5-door 500.
Marchionne don't see any future in most of the fIAT models without a 500 badge.
Marchionne talks only about Fiat 500 in al kind of models, the Panda could be axed in favor for a same size 5-door 500.
Marchionne don't see any future in most of the fIAT models without a 500 badge.
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Yep, me too.
Don't have any interest in a 500, no matter what kind.
Don't have any interest in a 500, no matter what kind.
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Marchionne's reign as head of Fiat has been a disaster. He should have worked out by now that sticking a 500 badge on something (500L? 500X?) doesn't guarantee that it will be a sure-fire sales success.
