General Fiat Panda 4th generation (2019)

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General Fiat Panda 4th generation (2019)

I emailed Fiat themselves to ask about if they have an all new model in the works... now I keep getting calls from Italy! It’s always an Italian speaking English telling me how
The 2019 model is available today such as the Waze model etc ... I tried explaining a few times that I had meant an all new version but I wasn’t getting anywhere! Quite a comical experience lol
 
I emailed Fiat themselves to ask about if they have an all new model in the works... now I keep getting calls from Italy! It’s always an Italian speaking English telling me how
The 2019 model is available today such as the Waze model etc ... I tried explaining a few times that I had meant an all new version but I wasn’t getting anywhere! Quite a comical experience lol

That'll learn ya!

I suppose with the money they're getting for the Marelli sale they can afford to offer a few more colours dressed up as a limited edition, the rest of the cash going to Jeep.
 
There seems to be a lot of speculation. Thing is with governments pushing those electric things and all the diesel emission nonsense, manufacturers themselves have lost direction. Fiat are in a worse position with the country in financial crisis and Italy having to re-do their budget to appease the EU. These are big issues and I believe the announcement of a new Panda could be some time off or it may even be dropped if sales continue to fall. Here in the UK sales across the board have dropped due to uncertainty. JLR announced a two week closure and BMW/Mini an extra 4 weeks, so don't hold your breath.
 
There seems to be a lot of speculation. Thing is with governments pushing those electric things and all the diesel emission nonsense, manufacturers themselves have lost direction. Fiat are in a worse position with the country in financial crisis and Italy having to re-do their budget to appease the EU. These are big issues and I believe the announcement of a new Panda could be some time off or it may even be dropped if sales continue to fall. Here in the UK sales across the board have dropped due to uncertainty. JLR announced a two week closure and BMW/Mini an extra 4 weeks, so don't hold your breath.

Given how well the Panda sells in Italy and certain other EU markets I am sure it will be replaced, though presumably now not before 2020.

I am guessing that the key determinant of the size of the next Panda will be the size of the next 500, as the two will presumably maintain a relationship for economies of scale and fabrication at Tychy (where Panda production will return). Although I could see an Argo-based Panda, would that platform also be suitable for the 500?

I imagine the 500/Panda will grow a little, although I hope not too much, and the lack of US sales may mean there is less pressure to increase its size. I'd certainly be reluctant to consider a 4-metre-long Panda myself. I hope Fiat can maintain the overall length much as it is and improve the packaging/space efficiency instead.

If Fiat is going for a single global look for the non-retro models I imagine it will look like the Argo/Mobi, but they may not be worried about that.

I am waiting to see what they come up with. If I don't like the look of it I will trade in my 169 for one of the current 319 Pandas, perhaps with end-of-line discounts. Otherwise I'll hold on for the new one.
 
There seems to be a lot of speculation. Thing is with governments pushing those electric things and all the diesel emission nonsense, manufacturers themselves have lost direction. Fiat are in a worse position with the country in financial crisis and Italy having to re-do their budget to appease the EU. These are big issues and I believe the announcement of a new Panda could be some time off or it may even be dropped if sales continue to fall. Here in the UK sales across the board have dropped due to uncertainty. JLR announced a two week closure and BMW/Mini an extra 4 weeks, so don't hold your breath.

Sales of the Panda drops, because FCA take to long to offer new engines.
The TwinAir is not to the likings of many people and the 1.2ltr FIRE (even how good it is) is a dated engine, the opposition offer modern engines and Hybrids.
And so long FCA don't start to offer the new GSE-Firefly 3 cylinder turbo engine in the Panda and a Hybrid solution, sales will be dropping further.
I want a new Present model Panda but not with engines that are now available, i want something new under the bonnet. ;)
 
Given how well the Panda sells in Italy and certain other EU markets I am sure it will be replaced, though presumably now not before 2020.

I am guessing that the key determinant of the size of the next Panda will be the size of the next 500, as the two will presumably maintain a relationship for economies of scale and fabrication at Tychy (where Panda production will return). Although I could see an Argo-based Panda, would that platform also be suitable for the 500?

I imagine the 500/Panda will grow a little, although I hope not too much, and the lack of US sales may mean there is less pressure to increase its size. I'd certainly be reluctant to consider a 4-metre-long Panda myself. I hope Fiat can maintain the overall length much as it is and improve the packaging/space efficiency instead.

If Fiat is going for a single global look for the non-retro models I imagine it will look like the Argo/Mobi, but they may not be worried about that.

I am waiting to see what they come up with. If I don't like the look of it I will trade in my 169 for one of the current 319 Pandas, perhaps with end-of-line discounts. Otherwise I'll hold on for the new one.

1) Panda sales have take a dive in Italy as well, almost by half.
2) it is still not certain that the new Panda will return to Poland again, a lot have changed with the passing of Sergio Marchionne.
3) i would not be surprised to see the next Panda/500 be based on the FIAT Arco.
4) Present Panda could go on as a Panda Classic version again, alongside the new Panda.
 
Hi.
When a manufacturer comes out with a new engine it has in normal circumstances had a radical change. The FIRE unit is still a highly respected unit, the block (Pistons crankshaft etc) is tough and very reliable. The part of the engine to improve, modify is the head, with VVT, high compression, Uniair etc etc, the block can remain as is and this saves the manufacturer millions in re-tooling and new production costs.

The Fire engine has already proved it can conform to Euro 6.2 so why re-tool? There is also no reason why Fiat cannot turbo charge the 1.2, still meet Euro 6.2 emissions and increase power and torque plus save money for them and the purchaser. We've seen some horrendous issues with 3 pot engines that are inherently unbalanced from GM and Renault, they are not necessarily more unreliable but are more noisy and rough than even the worst 4 pot units. The TA is throwing up some issues and looks to me like it's days are numbered. Stick to reliable tried and tested designs, a new engine in a Panda could be a disaster with all the hype around of electric. I picked up a neighbour the other day from the garage his 2016 Fiesta was getting a service at and his comment was I wish my engine was a smooth and quiet as this. Nuff said!!!
 
Stick to reliable tried and tested designs, a new engine in a Panda could be a disaster with all the hype around of electric. I picked up a neighbour the other day from the garage his 2016 Fiesta was getting a service at and his comment was I wish my engine was a smooth and quiet as this. Nuff said!!!

Good points in this post. I know the 1.2 had a bit of a wobbly moment a few years ago but I'm assuming the current iteration has fixed the problems? I have of course bookmarked the clutch mod in case I ever get one of them!
 
Hi.
When a manufacturer comes out with a new engine it has in normal circumstances had a radical change. The FIRE unit is still a highly respected unit, the block (Pistons crankshaft etc) is tough and very reliable. The part of the engine to improve, modify is the head, with VVT, high compression, Uniair etc etc, the block can remain as is and this saves the manufacturer millions in re-tooling and new production costs.

The Fire engine has already proved it can conform to Euro 6.2 so why re-tool? There is also no reason why Fiat cannot turbo charge the 1.2, still meet Euro 6.2 emissions and increase power and torque plus save money for them and the purchaser. We've seen some horrendous issues with 3 pot engines that are inherently unbalanced from GM and Renault, they are not necessarily more unreliable but are more noisy and rough than even the worst 4 pot units. The TA is throwing up some issues and looks to me like it's days are numbered. Stick to reliable tried and tested designs, a new engine in a Panda could be a disaster with all the hype around of electric. I picked up a neighbour the other day from the garage his 2016 Fiesta was getting a service at and his comment was I wish my engine was a smooth and quiet as this. Nuff said!!!

I would like to see the 1.2 ltr FIRE engine getting a mild Hybrid upgrade in the way Suzuki does it.
 
Hi.
There is talk that even Hybrids could be frowned on by some governments as they are not moving emissions from cities and fossil fuels are still needed to recharge the batteries. A mate of mine had a Mitsubishi PHEV Outlander for a couple of years, it was really disappointing with a much lower range on batteries than was advertised and an average of 34mpg, he sold it for a different vehicle two years ago which he says is much better............ a Mitsubishi L200!!!!
 
I think the PHEV was mainly designed to give impressive lab figures, rather than optimum economy on the road.

With regards to the future of hybrids, its all very well governments turning their noses up at them, but until they provide the infrastructure for EVs, a hybrid could be the only option for a lot of people: I think I can speak on behalf of many people when I say that I have no means of being able to charge an electric car at all!!
 
A new rumor from Italy is suggesting that FCA could give precedence to a all new Lancia Ypsilon before renewing the Panda.
This would mean that a new Panda could move to 2020>
FCA want a complete new configuration system for the new Panda, and that cost time and money.
It will mean you can order a cheap bare Base model Panda, but you can also load it up to full range of specs, making it a much more expensive full luxury Panda.
The new system would make it possible to order what ever you want, without the usual mandatory combinations.
Now a days if you want something you need, you need to order a certain Pack or option level to get certain things, the new system will disconnect all of those, and make it possible to personalize and spec your car, the way you want.
 
Fiat ha in programma la Nuova Fiat Panda e Quattroruote ha raccolto le prime informazioni sul suo progetto.
L'idea è quella di un auto molto personalizzabile che con i suoi allestimenti e personalizzazioni, si può andare dalla versione low cost alla versione "ricca".
Da due posti a cinque, sfiziosa o seria....
Il tetto avrà colori in contrasto con la carrozzeria, portellone in vetro come su molte auto di questo segmento e molte personalizzazioni per cerchi, paraurti e specchi.
Un auto altamente modulare e flessibile che parte da un prezzo molto accessibile, da low cost.
Fino a prezzi da semi premium nelle configurazioni top di gamma.
Nella configurazione base ci sarebbero solo i due posti anteriori, per chi non ha bisogno dei posti posteriori.
Si parla anche di vetri a manovella.
Un auto giovanile, economica... non un auto, ma mille auto in una.
Una Panda unica, che si inserisce perfettamente nella filosofia della Fiat e della sua antenata.
In Fiat dicono: "chi meglio della Fiat potrebbe fare un auto del genere, e chi meglio di Fiat avrebbe la credibilità per farla?"
 
When you put it in a translator this comes out:

Fiat in the New Fiat Panda, and Ea has collected the first information on his project.
The idea is that a car is very customizable, which, with its decorations and customizations, you can go from low cost version to the version that is "rich".
From two seats to five, funny or serious....
The roof will have colors in contrast with the bodywork, the tailgate glass as on many cars of this segment and many customization options for rims, bumpers, and mirrors.
A car is highly modular and flexible, which starts from a very affordable price, low-cost.
Up to semi-premium in configurations in which the top of the range.
In its basic configuration, there would be only the two front seats, for those who do not need the rear seats.
There is also talk of glasses at the crank.
A drive of youth, economic... not a car, but a thousand cars in one.
A Panda only, which fits perfectly with the philosophy of Fiat, and of her ancestor. In Fiat to say: "who better than the Fiat could make a car like that, and who better than Fiat would have the credibility to do it?"
 

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