The Pretender said:

The biggest problem of this car is, that it will be electric only when it reach production.

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Yes - the video commentary emphasises that it would/will be all-electric - there's no provision for any internal combustion engine. The plan is from one battery pack - purely as a city car - up to three, giving a range of 150kms. The interior is very flexible, with plug-in electronic options, completely removable seats, a display panel below the rear screen.

The Pretender said:

I don't like it, mijn Panda (FIAT) days are numbered.
Don't plan a facelift Panda and certainly not this thing.

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I'm so bored with all the electric car crap nowadays. I feel that in the not so far future cars will only be for people that have a lot of money or a company car and that there will be no "cheap" cars anymore due to all the stupid rules on safety and so called environmental issues.
So I enjoy my motorcycle and car as much as I can while it's still possible fearing the fun will be defenitly over with self driving EU nannied electric pieces of overpriced carbage in about 10 to 20 years.

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In that video I've just spotted the ROUND CUP-HOLDERS!

Sold!

I don't see any future in this, a full electric Panda.
FIAT is selling 10.000-16.000 Panda's a month in Italy.
Do they expect to sell this for less then € 20.000,- and still sell 10.000-16.000 of them a month. :roll eyes:
I don't think so, not by a long shot.
I will never buy that, and i'm 100% certain of it.

Have they actually said that any production car would be electric only? I would not be surprised if the real thing came in electric and hybrid versions. As you say, it would be a massive jump to make this (and the next 500) electric-only so soon.

I also think if this will be the next Panda, it will be dial down by 50% before it go's into production.
I would not be surprised if only 50% is left over from this concept when it reach production.
Not that i like it this way, a production version will be even worse, IMHO.

Reading the Autocar piece on the new electrified 500, it seems that the strategy is to keep the current 500 in production alongside the new electrified car, with the current model updated as necessary. (Perhaps this means the mild hybrid we've read about). Fiat acknowledges that the electric car will cost more, so the petrol model, the older design, will be cheaper.

Perhaps the same is planned for the Panda, i.e. keep an updated version of the current model in production as a lower-end car with the new car sitting higher up the price range? Fiat are talking about 32,000 euros for the new 500E, however, so an electric Panda would presumably be similarly expensive.

I think PandaEleganza is right. The Centoventi concept is so far removed from the current Panda, and would be so compromised by the need to re-engineer it for both petrol and electric drivetrains, that they are almost certainly looking to reserve this platform as electric only (shared with the new 500), and retain the existing Panda and 500 platforms for petrol and hybrid drivetrains. That inevitably means that they will devote the lion's share of the R&D budget to the new electric-only platform, and the current Panda and 500 will get, at best, a mild (perhaps mild-hybrid?) work-over, to keep them staggering along until their all-electric replacements are ready for market. By that time, other manufacturers will also have gone all-electric (see eg Honda's recent announcement) and petrol superminis will be increasingly rare beasts.

With the Centoventi concept, Fiat is attempting, in one big leap, to make up the ground on other manufacturers, and to overtake many (most?) of them. Given the current helter-skelter rush to electrification, who can blame them?

Did a little photoshopping on this picture to see what could be done.

1) i made it bid flatter, because i think the concept is to high.
2) i lowered it a little,
3) i gave it a little more uni colour, paint/colored smooth plastic.
4) Made it a little more production like, it's to much playMobil as a concept.
5) Put some decals on.

I think if FIAT through all the Concept parts overboard and make it more like a production car, inside and out, it could be interesting as a next Panda.
But only if they put in normal engines and alongside a 100% electric model it have a future as a next generation Panda.
Don't see otherwise a future at all for this.

Mike Manley, the CEO of Fiat/Chrysler, was interviewed in the Italian press and stated categorically that the 120 won't replace the Panda- the 120 is aimed at the B market segment while the Panda will continue to be aimed at segment A

£15,000 in basic form, according to Autocar, and potential launch 2021. I'd better start saving up now!

Next Punto.

Grande Panda

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Apperently Mike Manley have said in a interview, that the production version of the “CentoVenti” will not replace the Panda, but will be placed as a B-senment car, the Panda will stay a A-segment car.

Yes, babbo said that exact same thing 5 posts ago ...

The Pretender said:

I don't see any future in this, a full electric Panda.
FIAT is selling 10.000-16.000 Panda's a month in Italy.
Do they expect to sell this for less then € 20.000,- and still sell 10.000-16.000 of them a month. :roll eyes:
I don't think so, not by a long shot.
I will never buy that, and i'm 100% certain of it.

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I'm sure that you said in the past you would never own the Panda you have now..... ;p

Punto MC said:

I'm sure that you said in the past you would never own the Panda you have now..... ;p

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Partly truth, i said that about the TwinAir engine, not this Panda in general.
But i have change my mind about that.
But a full electric Panda i'm absolutely certain.
If i would ever buy a electric car it would probably something else.

the pretender said:

partly truth, i said that about the twinair engine, not this panda in general.
but i have change my mind about that.
But a full electric panda i'm absolutely certain.
If i would ever buy a electric car it would probably something else.

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