Peter Pick-Up said:

https://extranetpli-eu.pli-petronas.com/dsp/lube-recommender/brand-selection-fca.asp?id_lingua=2

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Are you now agreeing that all Panda 2012+ 0.9 TwinAir Turbo engines should use SELENIA DIGITEK PURE ENERGY (SAE 0W-30) or are you saying to stick to the owner manual ?
The PETRONAS link says both !





My first oil change I used SELENIA K P.E. (SAE 5W-40), according to the Owner Handbook, and since then I've used SELENIA DIGITEK P.E. (SAE 0W-30), as verbally advised by Fiat Customer Services against my chassis number and in line with advice for later production cars.

It looks to me that Fiat chose 0W-30 for the engine (as recommended for the non-turbo TA), but initially recommended 5W-40 to protect the turbo, where fitted. They later changed to 0W-30 for turbo and non-turbo versions, which suggests that they saw problems with the engine (MultiAir Unit ?) with the 5W-40. I wouldn't want to have to replace either the turbo or the MultiAir Unit, but I think I'd rather the turbo wore out first.

Thinner oil flows quicker in a cold engine, the lower hot viscosity though could mean less protection in hot weather and fast running or towing. A 0w-40 would make better sense, with the correct additive package

chr1s said:

Are you now agreeing that all Panda 2012+ 0.9 TwinAir Turbo engines should use SELENIA DIGITEK PURE ENERGY (SAE 0W-30) or are you saying to stick to the owner manual ?
The PETRONAS link says both !

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It's your own decision.

When we bought our new 2016, Euro 6, Alfa Giulietta with the 1,4 Turbo MultiAir engine there were a lot of conflicting oil advises.
I contacted the Dutch Fiat/Alfa importer, and got an email from them with the correct specs oil to use...

I suggest you to do the same, don't trust mechanics, even don't rely on this Forum, ask your local importer customer service instead.

gar074 said:

Is it not possible that Fiat (while not of course publicly admitting it) realised part-way through the TA's production cycle that 0W30 works better in the TA than 5W40, which is why they now recommend it, but still stubbornly recommend 5W40 for the earlier versions, because otherwise they'd be admitting that they got it wrong at the start? (with obvious implications as regards liability for failure).

Or am I being too cynical?

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That is how my mechanic described it.
Off course anyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I trust his. He has much experience.

gr J

Could the use of thinner oil in the Euro 6 engines just be an emissions bodge, thinner lighter oil to bring it down for the tests and nothing to do with actual engine issues?

murphyv310 said:

Could the use of thinner oil in the Euro 6 engines just be an emissions bodge, thinner lighter oil to bring it down for the tests and nothing to do with actual engine issues?

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Probably yes!
But it's not only the weight, the oil characteristic is different for the Euro 6 engine as well!
C2 oil for Euro 6 and C3 for Euro 5...

A3jeroen said:

To answer my own question:
Was over at my local Fiatdealer (go-to place for over 20 years now) and the mechanic said to absolutely use 0W30 in the older twinairs as well and change oil very regular. (at least once a year regardless of how much it's used)

gr J

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Today I was at my local Fiat dealer(who has been for a short while after the old Fiat dealer stopped) to book my 2013 Twinair Turbo for a oil and filter change.
When I said I just had it changed to be safe and didn't reach the indicated service milage yet he himself started telling how important it was for the Twinair engines and that he also recommands changing it anually if you don't drive much. He also said that when they started the dealership he called around with several well regarded dealers and that they all told him to absolutely always use the specified Selenia oil for the Twinair and Multiair engines to prevent a lot of issues.
He also said that the specified Selenia oil contained special additives that help keep the oil lines and path thrue the engine and uniair/multiair units clean and that this isn't always the case with other oils and that this was why using Selenia was so important for Fiat.
I was realy pleased to hear that all of this came from the dealer himself without me asking what oil they are using and that he realy takes the service seriously for his newly aquired brand.
Needless to say I will be changing my oil every year from now on and hope this will prevent me from problems with the uniair unit. Uptill now the engine has been running perfectly for 40000km's.

My 4x4 TA is exactly five years old and has done almost 58,000 miles - changed the oil at 5,000 miles an annually after that - like tyres it seems foolish to scrimp on oil changes.

babbo_umbro said:

My 4x4 TA is exactly five years old and has done almost 58,000 miles - changed the oil at 5,000 miles an annually after that - like tyres it seems foolish to scrimp on oil changes.

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That's exactly what I did. I also had the first oil and filter change at 5000 miles. Leaving the first oil in there for 2 years or 18000 miles just felt wrong.
There must be some extra dirt or metal particals in the engine as a result of the production and run in of the engine.

TheR said:

That's exactly what I did. I also had the first oil and filter change at 5000 miles. Leaving the first oil in there for 2 years or 18000 miles just felt wrong.
There must be some extra dirt or metal particals in the engine as a result of the production and run in of the engine.

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In days past, engines were run in using straight mineral oil as the additives in modern oils are counterproductive to the proper bedding in of the metal parts. The oil would then be changed after the first 500-1000 miles, after which the normal spec of the oil for the car would be used. That first oil change would be included in the price of the car, but sometime in the 1990's the manufacturers decided they could save the cost of this and discontinued the practice.

Some new car owners have been known to drain their car when they first take delivery and follow a similar process. This will likely invalidate your warranty, but you might end up with a better engine; long term power output, economy and oil consumption all benefit from proper running in.

The oft quoted line that modern engines no longer need running in originated in marketing, not engineering.

Apologies for the thread revival, but EuroCarParts are doing 4l of Petronas 7000E 0W30 C2 (reckoned earlier in this thread to be the same as their Selenia brand) for £24.50 at the moment, with free delivery. I've not seen it cheaper than that.

Good price..


Now to figure out if its the correct oil for my 2013 cars


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Looks like I need C3

I think the 7000 C3 was even cheaper!

My next oil change..

Phils panda said:

My next oil change..

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That is exactly the same oil as this one:
https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-60166-...-40-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx?VariantID=67425

Fuchs make the Quantum oil for VAG.

Is it i didnt know..I Paid£19.99 from Ebay...

Fine, if 5W-40 C3 is the recommended oil for yours.

Yes...an early 12 reg two pot banger