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Re: Where to buy TA oil from

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It's the other way around, many of them use the old specs oil in the new engines....!!
They have plenty of the old specs oil in store, and not that many new Euro 6 engines around, it's not economical to have the new specs oil in bulk, I'm afraid...
Interesting!! Surely they should be carrying out Fiats recommendations for warranty reasons.
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Yes, they should....
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Re: Where to buy TA oil from

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Do we know that? I've yet to see any authoritative statement on that subject, either way.
Hi JRK.
I'm beginning to think that Fiat do themselves no favours being so secretive. Any motor engineer/mechanic that is a questioning type that works for a Fiat dealership surely would look or ask???
Im now of the opinion that you're better with the FIRE engine full stop. Let's hope there are no future issues with the Firefly.
Anyway I'm far too off topic considering the original question was straightforward.
Sorry for rambling on...... Too much time on my hands.
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Where is the best/cheapest place to buy the Selenia Digitek 0W-30 Twin Air engines oil from? I'm hoping you folk have got some advice from your own experiences of buying the oil, either on-line or from a high street retail supplier, as to where the best place is. The Fiat dealer that I bought my TA from very unhelpfully changed franchises a few months after I bought the car so I don't think I can go back there for the oil, and in any case, is a Fiat dealer the cheapest place or will I be paying over the odds? Any advice as to reliable online outlets?

I could top up with another brand of 0W-30 oil I guess but as it is still under warranty I thought I had better stick to the 'proper' stuff.

My TA has used about 2/3rds from the top to bottom marker on the dip stick in 9 months and 5000 miles - is this normal for a brand new TA or should I be asking questions under the basis of the warranty?
Mine has dropped about 1/3 of the distance on the stick in 7000 miles. I do drive sympathetically most of the time these days. Dealers are generally not cheap but some do internet sales adn offer great discounts some times. Trust the general internet at your peril. There are an alarming number of counterfeit things on offer including oil. I prefer to pay for a rock solid genuine product supplier. Its costly though.
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I prefer to pay for a rock solid genuine product supplier. Its costly though.
Just go to Halfords and buy your Petronas Syntium 7000E there.
Reasonable priced, and available all over the UK.
(I envy you, no Halfords in Holland...).
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Re: Where to buy TA oil from

To answer my own question:
Was over at my local Fiatdealer (go-to place for over 20 years now) and the mechanic said to absolutely use 0W30 in the older twinairs as well and change oil very regular. (at least once a year regardless of how much it's used)

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Re: Where to buy TA oil from

I use Fiat trained garages..as Im hoping they know where to obtain..and use the correct oil.

The FIRE engined panda.when in FIAT warranty...went to a multifranchise dealer..and they never once used Selenia..

So it didnt go there again once out of warranty.

(The oil filter failing the day after an expensive service didnt help..)
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To answer my own question:
Was over at my local Fiatdealer (go-to place for over 20 years now) and the mechanic said to absolutely use 0W30 in the older twinairs as well and change oil very regular. (at least once a year regardless of how much it's used)

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The Euro 5 TA and MA engines are designed for 5W40 C3 oil, but anyway, if your mechanic gives you a written warranty, you can use any oil he advises...!!
Otherwise, stick to the handbook.
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The Euro 5 TA and MA engines are designed for 5W40 C3 oil, but anyway, if your mechanic gives you a written warranty, you can use any oil he advises...!! Otherwise, stick to the handbook.
Is it not possible that Fiat (while not of course publicly admitting it) realised part-way through the TA's production cycle that 0W30 works better in the TA than 5W40, which is why they now recommend it, but still stubbornly recommend 5W40 for the earlier versions, because otherwise they'd be admitting that they got it wrong at the start? (with obvious implications as regards liability for failure).

Or am I being too cynical?
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Re: Where to buy TA oil from

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Are you now agreeing that all Panda 2012+ 0.9 TwinAir Turbo engines should use SELENIA DIGITEK PURE ENERGY (SAE 0W-30) or are you saying to stick to the owner manual ?
The PETRONAS link says both !

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My first oil change I used SELENIA K P.E. (SAE 5W-40), according to the Owner Handbook, and since then I've used SELENIA DIGITEK P.E. (SAE 0W-30), as verbally advised by Fiat Customer Services against my chassis number and in line with advice for later production cars.

It looks to me that Fiat chose 0W-30 for the engine (as recommended for the non-turbo TA), but initially recommended 5W-40 to protect the turbo, where fitted. They later changed to 0W-30 for turbo and non-turbo versions, which suggests that they saw problems with the engine (MultiAir Unit ?) with the 5W-40. I wouldn't want to have to replace either the turbo or the MultiAir Unit, but I think I'd rather the turbo wore out first.
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Re: Where to buy TA oil from

Thinner oil flows quicker in a cold engine, the lower hot viscosity though could mean less protection in hot weather and fast running or towing. A 0w-40 would make better sense, with the correct additive package
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Are you now agreeing that all Panda 2012+ 0.9 TwinAir Turbo engines should use SELENIA DIGITEK PURE ENERGY (SAE 0W-30) or are you saying to stick to the owner manual ?
The PETRONAS link says both !
It's your own decision.

When we bought our new 2016, Euro 6, Alfa Giulietta with the 1,4 Turbo MultiAir engine there were a lot of conflicting oil advises.
I contacted the Dutch Fiat/Alfa importer, and got an email from them with the correct specs oil to use...

I suggest you to do the same, don't trust mechanics, even don't rely on this Forum, ask your local importer customer service instead.
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Is it not possible that Fiat (while not of course publicly admitting it) realised part-way through the TA's production cycle that 0W30 works better in the TA than 5W40, which is why they now recommend it, but still stubbornly recommend 5W40 for the earlier versions, because otherwise they'd be admitting that they got it wrong at the start? (with obvious implications as regards liability for failure).

Or am I being too cynical?
That is how my mechanic described it.
Off course anyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I trust his. He has much experience.

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Could the use of thinner oil in the Euro 6 engines just be an emissions bodge, thinner lighter oil to bring it down for the tests and nothing to do with actual engine issues?
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