Technical EGR Valve replacement MK3 Panda 1.3d multi jet

[PaulyMcPaulFace]

Has anyone replaced a an event valve? If so any idea how long it takes? Cheers peeps

 

[PaulyMcPaulFace]

*EGR valve

 

[Peter Pick-Up]

Why would you replace this infamous part...??

 

[PaulyMcPaulFace]

Because it's knackered.

 

[PaulyMcPaulFace]

I just want to make sure I don't get bent over when intake it to a garage. One garage already quoted me £600!

 

[PaulyMcPaulFace]

*I take it

**Dang Google keybod**

 

[Peter Pick-Up]

Find a good remapper, and have it deleted from the ECU.
Less expensive than a new valve, and much more healthier for your engine.
(just be carefull, there are secret Greenpeace agents around here....)

 

[PaulyMcPaulFace]

Haha, cheers ?

 

[R1NGA]

Find a good remapper, and have it deleted from the ECU.
Less expensive than a new valve, and much more healthier for your engine.
(just be carefull, there are secret Greenpeace agents around here....)

Kind of agree, as it's fundamentally flawed technology, but the MoT gets tougher from April or May this year and missing EGRs on DPFs of diesels will warrant a fail under the new regime.

 

[Peter Pick-Up]

Kind of agree, as it's fundamentally flawed technology, but the MoT gets tougher from April or May this year and missing EGRs on DPFs of diesels will warrant a fail under the new regime.

But since it's not missing, but just not functioning by deleting it from the ECU, how will they ever know...??
Exhaust gas will be a lot cleaner without the EGR working...!!

I have a non functioning EGR on my Alfa GT jtd, with the EGR working, accelerating was a shame most of the times, heavy, thick black smoke behind me, MOT was a pain to get trough.
Now, with deleted EGR, (both software and hardware) smoke is almost not present, even when pressed hard ( what Alfa's are made for anyway...) and MOT is plain easy...!!
(And I only use premium fuell, BP Ultimate Diesel).

 

[R1NGA]

But since it's not missing, but just not functioniong by deleting it from the ECU, how will they ever know...??
Exhaust gas will be a lot cleaner without the EGR working...!!

Good point, well made - I'll get back in my box!

I have a non functioning EGR on my Alfa GT jtd, with the EGR working, accelerating was a shame most of the times, heavy, thick black smoke behind me, MOT was a pain to get trough.
Now, with deleted EGR, (both software and hardware) smoke is almost not present, even when pressed hard ( what Alfa's are made for anyway...) and MOT is plain easy...!!
(And I only use premium fuell, BP Ultimate Diesel).

... which entirely proves why it's flawed tech - excellent good news story.

 

[g8rpi]

Defeating the EGR either physically or by software is illegal in the UK (and most other developed countries) makes the car illegal to use on the road and almost certainly invalidates your insurance. It might not be picked up at MOT time but it's still illegal.
The best solution is to clean or replace the EGR valve and fit a restrictor / swirl plate when re-fitting it.


Robert G8RPI.

 

[Peter Pick-Up]

The restrictor plate is a placebo modification, totally useless.

 

[g8rpi]

How would you know. You have never tried it.
Robert G8RPI

 

[Peter Pick-Up]

How would you know. You have never tried it.
Robert G8RPI

Oh yes I have, and you know it Robert...!!
I have two Fiat original useless placebo restrictorplates in my workshop somewhere, you can have them for free ( just shippingcosts of course...!!)

 

[PaulyMcPaulFace]

That is a good point, but I don't know how deep they will have to go. For example maybe they will have to check the ECU as part of the test? A lad at work today told me that apparently if you have any warning light on during the MOT (including traction control or abs etc) that will will be an automatic fail. Granted this lad is actually an effing tool and most days so close to thump in the ear it's unreal. I tried telling him you realise the point of the MOT is to make sure the car is safe and road worthy but I digress......(he also thinks his 13yr old Audi A3 is the dogs dangly's because it's been slammed or something....like I said he's an utter jizz rag)

Anyway, I'm not fussed about acceleration speed and all that jazz, I drive a panda!! I have an 86mile round trip to work and back every day because I'm jobsworth hero and drive by the fuel gauge. I get 75+mpg on average and about 500miles off a full tank of diesel.
I would love to own and drive a proper car like an Alfa, but for the time being I have to stick with the panda

 

[g8rpi]

That is a good point, but I don't know how deep they will have to go. For example maybe they will have to check the ECU as part of the test? A lad at work today told me that apparently if you have any warning light on during the MOT (including traction control or abs etc) that will will be an automatic fail. Granted this lad is actually an effing tool and most days so close to thump in the ear it's unreal. I tried telling him you realise the point of the MOT is to make sure the car is safe and road worthy but I digress......(he also thinks his 13yr old Audi A3 is the dogs dangly's because it's been slammed or something....like I said he's an utter jizz rag)

Anyway, I'm not fussed about acceleration speed and all that jazz, I drive a panda!! I have an 86mile round trip to work and back every day because I'm jobsworth hero and drive by the fuel gauge. I get 75+mpg on average and about 500miles off a full tank of diesel.
I would love to own and drive a proper car like an Alfa, but for the time being I have to stick with the panda

Hi,
No they don't check the ECU on an MOT and in case of doubt they have to err on the side of the owner. An ABS fail light on is a "Reason for Refusal" RfR, the official term for a fail, but not all warning lights are. The engine warning light is a RfR under the new rules It is highly unlikely that a MOT tester would spot a blanked or ECU MAP deleted EGR valve.
For your driving I still recommend the restrictor plate modification. The NOx emissions are still reduced, and the EGR valve lasts longer. Dispite what Peter says, it does work. The restrictor has two effects. Firstly by restricting the flow it causes the EGR valve to open further. This is against a spring so a wide open valve has more closing force than a slightly open on and is less likely to jam open. Secondly, but this is more open to debate, the exhaust gas is at higher velocity and more turbulent due to passing through a small hole in a plate an is thus better mixed with the inlet air and less likely deposit in the inlet tract. The only issue I can see with the restrictor is that it might not allow enough gas through for some engine conditions, but that's not a problem for drivers.

Robert G8RPI.

 

[PaulyMcPaulFace]

Cool, thanks for the info. I can guarantee though, as this is still a topic of debate at work I will hear another very convincing argument for having an EGR valve, I swear every day my opinion is swung one way to the other!!

With the mot, what are the chances that they will have to check ECUs when the new rules come in? Tbh I haven't actually seen the new rules etc, or even the old ones, I'm mostly going on gossip and "I heard in the pub...." Or my mate Dave's sisters friends husband's dog told my Janice blah blah blah. Or the inevitable "nobody likes me so I will make **** up acting like I know what I'm talking about guy" who will Wade in

 

[g8rpi]

Cool, thanks for the info. I can guarantee though, as this is still a topic of debate at work I will hear another very convincing argument for having an EGR valve, I swear every day my opinion is swung one way to the other!!

With the mot, what are the chances that they will have to check ECUs when the new rules come in? Tbh I haven't actually seen the new rules etc, or even the old ones, I'm mostly going on gossip and "I heard in the pub...." Or my mate Dave's sisters friends husband's dog told my Janice blah blah blah. Or the inevitable "nobody likes me so I will make **** up acting like I know what I'm talking about guy" who will Wade in

The new rules are Here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...lasses-3-4-5-and-7-from-20-may-2018-draft.pdf
and say

For petrol engines they specifically mention EGRs
So a plate is unlikely to be noticed. a complete bypass pipe might or might not be depending on the knowledge of the inspector and visibility of the EGR, but probably not.
I was wrong about the engine malfunction light, it is a requirement that it comes on and then off for a self test under the new rules. It appears they changed their decision on the ABS light too.

Regards,
Robert G8RPI.

 

[Peter Pick-Up]

This is an ongoing debate, but in my case (160HP, Alfa GT jtd, 16V), the official placebo plate didn't do nothing at all!!
Still a lot of black smoke during accelerating, sooth all over the back of the car after a while, etc.
When I removed this non functioning plate after some thousand miles, there was a LOT of carbon build up on the inlet side of the holes, indicating the mess that was still sucked into the engine...!
I tried several non original plates with one small hole, or a plate with two holes, one big hole, you name it, nothing worked, only the check engine light came on...!
I even tried a brandnew EGR valve, with no luck at all.
After blocking this (new) EGR completely, with two, non original, solid plates, and after having it deleted from the ECU by a remapper, no more smoke, and clean rearside of the car...also the engine oil stays clean for a much longer time, and as a great benefit, I changed from Castrol Edge C3 oil, to A3/B4 oil with superior lubricating aspects over the C3 oil..
Alfa has done 250000mls now, and still going ( very!) strong!!
No MOT problems at all, so I intend to keep the car at least another 3-4 years.