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Turn your lights off before stopping the engine. Withdraw ignition key then turn lights on, this gives you side lights. Its all in the handbook. Downloadable from Fiat if you don't have the paper book.
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Turn your lights off before stopping the engine. Withdraw ignition key then turn lights on, this gives you side lights. Its all in the handbook. Downloadable from Fiat if you don't have the paper book.
thank you,found it this afternoon on my own car the second ive owned but this one didnt come with a handbook,

the front bulbs are standard 21/5 watt bulbs as used in stop lights if anyone needs this info
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I replaced the standard 21/5 watt bulbs a year ago with suitable LED equivalent types. Although not pukka they are brighter but not as blinding as some vehicles. Passed the cars first MOT last year fine. The sidelight function reduces their brightness by 75%.
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I replaced the standard 21/5 watt bulbs a year ago with suitable LED equivalent types. Although not pukka they are brighter but not as blinding as some vehicles. Passed the cars first MOT last year fine. The sidelight function reduces their brightness by 75%.
Tbh I've been told they rarely check the headlight's beam Patten during Mots much these days don't know how true it is
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No legal LED replacements for filament lamps I'm afraid. The "no lights" problem is a driver education issue, not regulations or car design. They do not not put rear lights on with DRL's as it reduces the perception of brake lights during the day.

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You are of course and as usual correct. But..... what a b silly idea ti run with half a cars lights on. I cannot see the logic in it and am tempted to rectify it on mine. Perhaps when its drier and warmer.
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Volvo had what they called marker lights, their research proved that front lights were the biggest aid to safety.
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G8RPI: The piece you quote does not specify "limited period". I have a 2017 "new design" vehicle that automatically puts front DRL's and rear position lamps on. I put the "new design" in as there was a dispensation for "not fundamentally redesigned vehicles" to be exempt from the legislation. More lamps is better than less IMHO!
The fact that virtually ALL dash's are illuminated once the engine is running gives the false impression that the exterior lights are on, especially with the "older" generation not used to it like it was on their 1970 Cortina. I did do a random survey on the M3 in poor weather and 14 out of 20 vehicles without rear lamps on (that includes front only DRL equipped cars) were driven by women. All were late model vehicles. Driver education.
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G8RPI: The piece you quote does not specify "limited period". I have a 2017 "new design" vehicle that automatically puts front DRL's and rear position lamps on. I put the "new design" in as there was a dispensation for "not fundamentally redesigned vehicles" to be exempt from the legislation. More lamps is better than less IMHO!
The fact that virtually ALL dash's are illuminated once the engine is running gives the false impression that the exterior lights are on, especially with the "older" generation not used to it like it was on their 1970 Cortina. I did do a random survey on the M3 in poor weather and 14 out of 20 vehicles without rear lamps on (that includes front only DRL equipped cars) were driven by women. All were late model vehicles. Driver education.
The reason most modern instrument panels are "lit" all the time is because they have to bebecuase of the LCD parts of them. It;s eas to tell if your sidelighhts are on in these cars as an indictor (normally a green light symbol) come on. Lots of research supports that white (or yellow) front only DRLs are the most effective. Everyone is welcome to there own opinion and can turn their headlights or position (side) light on in the day if they want to. Out of interest what is the model of "new design" car you refered to? I took that dispensation s being to allow time for "local" regulations to be adjusted to the EU norm of front only rather than to accomodate older designs.

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I'm not sure either what " new design" is, I have looked online but cant find reference to it. Perhaps a link to the models would be helpful.
Regarding driver "education" the problem lies with recent drivers. An old codger like myself will realise that an illuminated dash doesn't mean the headlights are on because we never had illuminated dashes in the good old days till we physically turned a switch. Anytime I have driven on foggy roads and the car in front has no lights on it is inevitably been a driver that is young looking (although everyone looks younger than myself).
Modern cars lull the driver into a false sense of security and this is one reason that so many take risks.
Perhaps a week in a 1960 beetle or a Skoda Estelle with it's swing axle suspension and everything which needs driver input would make the roads a lot more safe.
We rely too much on modern car technology, a driver really needs an inkling of what to do and if they have no idea of how their vehicle behaves, what it does and how to operate the controls then give up driving and take the bus. A car is a weapon that can kill, so learn to use it properly. I wonder how many read new versions of the highway code or sit down for a couple of hours and read their new car hand book?
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I'm not sure either what " new design" is, I have looked online but cant find reference to it. Perhaps a link to the models would be helpful.
Regarding driver "education" the problem lies with recent drivers. An old codger like myself will realise that an illuminated dash doesn't mean the headlights are on because we never had illuminated dashes in the good old days till we physically turned a switch. Anytime I have driven on foggy roads and the car in front has no lights on it is inevitably been a driver that is young looking (although everyone looks younger than myself).
Modern cars lull the driver into a false sense of security and this is one reason that so many take risks.
Perhaps a week in a 1960 beetle or a Skoda Estelle with it's swing axle suspension and everything which needs driver input would make the roads a lot more safe.
We rely too much on modern car technology, a driver really needs an inkling of what to do and if they have no idea of how their vehicle behaves, what it does and how to operate the controls then give up driving and take the bus. A car is a weapon that can kill, so learn to use it properly. I wonder how many read new versions of the highway code or sit down for a couple of hours and read their new car hand book?
The other thing I've seen a lot of is people driving in daytime fog with no lights, especially in higher specification cars. Seems they don't realise the automatic headlights don't work in daytime fog and for some reason they don't turn them on manually.
I always read the handbook (not just for cars) and have refused to accept a hire car that did not have one.


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When the DRL regs. came into being I queried with VOSA why certain vehicles registered after a given date on implementation (?) were not displaying DRL's in use. Their replay was...e.g. A Clio body of 1 month prior to the regs. did not require DRL's but a "same" body Clio after the implementation date still did not require DRL's UNTIL a fundamental design of the car was made OR the "front end" was suitably or significantly changed. Most manufacturers accommodated DRL's in their original designs, especially if there was no such change about to take place in the short term.

My "other" vehicle is shown, a 2017 design. However my 2015 vehicle was DRL equipped. Both have ALL lights on, ALL of the time, once the engine is started. The Regs do not differenciate between cars or trucks/buses as far as I can see.

I appreciate why the dash is perma lit but I'm convinced it lulls drivers into a false position, forgetting to manually switch on their lights in poor visibility. Also, I've seen many a car driver driving in town with DRL's only on, in the dark because the DRL's give off enough light to fool the driver into thinking their lights are on. Fine if all 4 corners are lit but not if only the front 2 are.

I am probably biased towards "All Day Lights" because I worked in Canada in the late '70's when it was common to have headlights on during the day (especially the winter months) and up return i had a 264 VOLVO which started the trend. Many of my vehicles were "Dim-Dip" equipped too but I thought that was a fudge!
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Dim dip was used here for a few years then fell out of favour.
My neighbours Latest model Kia Picanto 67 plate (facelifted 2017) only has front DRL no rear lights on engine start-up. I'll keep my eyes peeled though on new models.
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The EU lighting Regulations for heavy goods vehicles are slightly different and DRLS were required about 18 months after cars. I don't know why your truck's lights all come on, but if the rears come on they are position lights not DRLs. The UK regs here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...chedule/3/made
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Here as well.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...running-lights

Note no recent regulation updates.
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