babbo_umbro
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I never got more than about 42mpg from my (much liked) 100HP and get the same from the 4x4 TA.
General Going from a 100HP to a Twin Air (or 1.2) - have you?
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General Going from a 100HP to a Twin Air (or 1.2) - have you?
I never got more than about 42mpg from my (much liked) 100HP and get the same from the 4x4 TA.
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sting to see the variation from one car to another. Over nearly 100K miles my 100 averaged 43 but it was driven with considerable enthusiasm quite a lot of the time. I think maybe I need to give the TA a bit more wellie and see what happens to the MPG. It seems to be hovering around 42 overall which I guess is OK but the claimed mpg is totally ridiculous. How on earth do Fiat and the Eurocrats justify this nonsense. again I think testing and independent road tests say much more that the European Union testing process.
Once we leave the EU they should put me in charge of mpg testing. I would then ban cars that cannot return the stated mpg from these shores. VW, Mercedes, Audi, Skoda, BMW, Seat, Porsche Renault Peugeot Citroen etc. would have to stop importing until I have carried out the tests. This might take some time.......
Pandas would of course be exempt by virtue of their great table manners and friendly personalities! Pandas should also be exempt from road tolls and congestion charges while we are at it
Within 5 years we would have a motor industry again
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That's why they are tested in labs, all under the same conditions.
If you give 10 different people, 10 identical cars you get 10 different mpg figures.
Give one person in the Highlands that makes a short 2 mile trip every day and one in Holland that drives 100 miles a day the same model and would anyone really expect the same results?
Sites like Fuelly and Honest John's real mpg all prove this beyond doubt.
The test is designed to take these factors out of the results, it's what the engine is capable of, not what it will actually do for every owner on every possible terrain and in every possible condition.
Maybe the problem is with the common sense of the buying public, not understanding why the figures are based like this, what that means to the results and why they are not real life figures.
Thought I'd update this as despite looking for the right spec Trekking Twin Air (white circa '63 plate) within a limited budget I still have found nothing since Nov - no 100HPs in the right spec either. Just cannot bring myself to pay £5-£6k for a little Panda that someone would have paid not much more than £10/£11k a whopping five years ago!
Nothing private - all being sold through dealers it seems.
May have to settle for a 1.2 Lounge as much more affordable and more common.
Nothing private - all being sold through dealers it seems.
May have to settle for a 1.2 Lounge as much more affordable and more common.
No more could I, particularly given that those very same dealers would likely offer you about half that if you wanted to sell it back the next day. Plus you could easily spend another £1500 or so replacing all the things that will be past their best after 5-6 years.
IMO if you're planning to run a small, cheap car for a long time, you might do better to buy it new (with a generous discount, of course
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I agree. There are likely to be some really good pre-registered deals around. Last year there were a clutch of them for sale as we approached the new plate. Where are you looking?No more could I, particularly given that those very same dealers would likely offer you about half that if you wanted to sell it back the next day. Plus you could easily spend another £1500 or so replacing all the things that will be past their best after 5-6 years.
IMO if you're planning to run a small, cheap car for a long time, you might do better to buy it new (with a generous discount, of course
Cheers guys, definitely looking used only as this is a second/third car to keep maybe a few years (famous last words judging by the fifteen odd times I've bought/sold cars the last three years!) and I won't put many miles on it so want it to have done the worst of its depreciating. Looking for a very well cared for 63 plate white three belt rear seat 1.2 Lounge now I guess at under £4K.
Or a mint 2010 white 100HP with Sky roof...like the one I sold last year!
Or a mint 2010 white 100HP with Sky roof...like the one I sold last year!
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Right, so finally drove a 1.2 today and loved it! Nippy enough, quiet, smooth, pulled fine from low down and I had it up to 6000 rpm before I thought I better not p*** off the salesman too much and fully redline it but there was a little more to come.
The 1.2ltr FIRE is a great engine.
Even better if you remap it, you will get ± 80 hp and ± 90 ft-lb.
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As other people have noted and I agree that the twinair is better with a few miles on it, mine had 14k on it when i bought it and now it has 24k, it is a bit quicker and more flexible now, although i also noticed an improvement after the oil and plug change, the plugs had been in from new and the oil had been in for around 8k, I'll change earlier next time.
Is there a 105 variant of the ta in the panda, that would be nice.
Is there a 105 variant of the ta in the panda, that would be nice.
Where can I get mine done?
I mean a 1.2 remap.
I mean a 1.2 remap.
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Old story I know but just wish they had done another warm hatch 100HP ish version of the 2012> Panda.
Treading on the toes of the 500 of course and maybe not worth their while as the 1.2 probably accounts for 3/4 of Panda sales but it would have been fun...
Treading on the toes of the 500 of course and maybe not worth their while as the 1.2 probably accounts for 3/4 of Panda sales but it would have been fun...
More like 1/20th of total Panda sales in the UK for the period it was on sale. IIRC they only sold about 2000 cars in total here, of which there are about 1700 left on the road. Most by now will be well used.
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I don't understand JK?
I'm suggesting in my post above that the 1.2 accounts for 3/4 of all Panda sales worldwide.
Are you referring to the 100HP??
Yep, Because most people don't like the TwinAir engines.
Sorry, yes, I was referring just to the 100HP, and just to the UK. I hadn't even considered the TA because that wasn't contemporaneous with the 100HP. My point was that there weren't as many 100HP's sold as you might think (and they didn't sell particularly well back in the day); I'd say they've become more desirable with the passage of time.
I'd agree that the 1.2 most likely accounts for about 75% of all Panda sales.
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In reference to the pricing, my car (1.2 Easy+) I got for a reasonable 7995 with a service pack thrown in, 1 year later and I’m offered a 5k exchange!!!!! Spotless except for a professionally done tinted rear window. Needless to say I’ll keep it until the depreciation levels out a bit and my loan gets lower too![emoji15]
