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Old 15-06-2018   #31
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Re: FIAT Panda clutch switch Euro6

I decided to fix this issue, but in my case handed it over to my local mechanic not being that confident of doing it right.
Having just returned from the garage all seems much better, no warning lights or other unexpected problems.
Just a car that drives normally where I'm in control of the accelerator, much like all my previous cars.
It still moves off in first or reverse just on idle speed, so can't see any downside to this modification.
Will report back if anything changes.
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Re: FIAT Panda clutch switch Euro6

Hi.
Glad to read you have done the mod and even more so that a mechanic didn't refuse!!
There should be no reason why you'll have any trouble or even want to re-instate it, mine has been great for a year now.
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Aaah....I think I might have understood it now by looking at some pictures of replacement switches.
Does the yellow section slide up within the arm section of the switch to reveal a gap allowing it to then be unhooked?
That's how it seems in this picture
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New owner of a 2014 1.2 petrol POP.
Can't say that I notice any of the symptoms described. There's not much power below 1500 rpm but I wouldn't expect that in such a small motor.
Tried some steep hill starts and it seems fine.
Thought I'd remove the switch and see if it made any difference to low RPM performance.

BIG MISTAKE.
I can flip the lever down and loosen the switch but it's impossible to remove the yellow section from the pin on the clutch arm. The yellow section is sealed at both ends and I cannot move it towards the centre of the vehicle as there is insufficient clearance between the plastic mounting bracket and the metal pin.


The photo in the original post does not have the same bracket mounting the switch. Mine is much bigger. Oo-eer!



How on earth do you free the switch from the pin?



I've shoved it all back on again for now after much sweating, cursing and what feels like a broken rib.
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Re: FIAT Panda clutch switch Euro6

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The switch doesn't make any difference to out and out low speed torque, it just makes the drive more pleasant when moving off from rest. The idea of the switch in the 1.2 which doesn't have stop start is to sense when you depress the clutch and then lift it up to the biting point, it then tells the ECU to raise the revs to reduce the possibility of stalling the engine.

It doesn't do what its supposed to do as it is normal for any driver to put a little throttle on when taking away, the revs then rise to an uncomfortable speed and the reaction then is to ease off, this then reduces power and the car bogs down. Some seem worse than others and I have heard that some are quite happy as is. If you are not having any issues then leave it as is, there wont be any improvement in torque as I say and when your left foot is off the clutch its just the same as removing the switch.
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Many thanks for that.

I've just been for a spin round the block to try out the anti-stall feature. If you know it's there it's quite manageable and does not get in the way apart from when doing a slow speed, low RPM manoeuvre such as turning into a driveway. In that instance it can sometimes start to accelerate just as you are wanting it to go slowly. I can anticipate some hairy moments if I ever went into a multi-story car park although I avoid these on principle as I don't like paying ;-)


I think this 'feature' is probably a generational divide thing i.e. old giffers like me have learned to be in complete control of everything and can only blame ourselves if we stall it. Younger drivers are more likely to have only experienced the car doing the work for them and probably don't think twice about it.


I'm still tempted to remove the switch just so that I'm in control of what's going to happen.


My overall impression of driving the car is favourable. If you use the rev range it goes like a scolded cat. The handbook says max power at 5500 RPM and max torque at 3000 RPM and it shows. When all's said and done it's a small, low powered engine that needs to spin to get moving. Use it and have fun.
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Re: FIAT Panda clutch switch Euro6

Finally got round to detaching the switch as it's a sunny day.
Did it with the switch still connected to the wiring. Had to remove some plastic tape that was securing the cable in order to get enough wiggle room to move the switch out and away behind the centre console.

Definitely worth doing this mod. Much easier on hill starts, doesn't accelerate when doing low speed manoeuvrers, still able to creep forward in slow traffic without stalling but you do have to be a bit more careful monitoring the engine. Just seems to make the driving generally smoother.

Thanks to all for the guidance and information.
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Re: FIAT Panda clutch switch Euro6

I did this on our 2014 Easy last summer; thought I'd replied on here when I did it (we live in a HILLY part of Gloucestershire, and there we some hills so steep, the clutch switch wouldn't put enough gas on, nor let us put enough gas on, so just sat uselessly nearly stalling, blocking traffic).

Much improved for having done it, previous post sums it up well.

Wanted to add - dropped it in to my local Fiat dealer for a service and MOT, and 'fessed up to having done it (said I was happy for them to come and try and hillstart it near me if they insisted on reinstating it). Sailed through its MOT, no complaints from the Fiat service team.
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Re: FIAT Panda clutch switch Euro6

Final observation on this (although I could be talking nonsense).

Have now done around 300 miles since disconnecting the switch and the clutch bite point has progressively become much more definite over that period. When first done it felt like the clutch was slipping slightly but not now.

My theory is that the ECU controlled revs without a corresponding clutch adjustment had resulted in a light 'polishing' of the clutch plates akin to what you'd get if you ride the clutch over a prolonged period. The new fully controlled relationship seems to have roughed things up a bit resulting in a definite bite point and a very much smoother gear change & progress.
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Am I the only one who likes the clutch switch!? Itís fine 95 percent of the time even on most of the hills around where I live on the Pennines. Really steep hills require just a quick blip of the throttle to get the car moving then I let off and let the car do the rest. In traffic itís a boon, only lift the clutch up then once the car starts crawling use the throttle, itís seamless. I really like it
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Re: FIAT Panda clutch switch Euro6

Hi.
Removing the switch will have no influence on the biting point as a clutch is purely mechanical whether hydraulic or cable operated.


Re the actual feel of the car, the car will still creep along without the switch in either first or second gear, if the revs drop below around 700 rpm the ECU will compensate to keep the revs above this level no matter if you have the switch or not. Without the switch the ECU has no idea where the clutch is whether up, down or half way, in traffic with your foot off the clutch there is no difference with it in place or removed.

With the switch out the car drives like any other "normal" car without silly electronics trying to over ride the input of drivers who know how to use a clutch in a proper manner.
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Re: FIAT Panda clutch switch Euro6

Hi Trevor. As you say, the switch doesn't have any direct bearing on the bite point but my experience of driving with it both fitted and disconnected is that there has been a definite alteration in both the bite point and the amount of grab it provides. Might be just a one off on my vehicle as I note the pedal rubber is well worn on the left hand edge indicating that the previous owner liked to drive with a foot resting on there. I may just be undoing some of the polish this may have put on the plates.
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